[Wondergirl]

*Wondergirl fails to note that the glass surface of the mirror is pointing at herself*

Hee hee hee hee Yer gettin' desperate, Tom.

[Tj3]

hee hee hee hee Yer gettin' desperate, Tom.

Desperate? You're giving yourself too much credit. I would love the challenge if you could come up with an argument which needs more than 30 seconds to refute.

[Wondergirl]

Desperate? You're giving yourself too much credit. I would love the challenge if you could come up with an argument which needs more than 30 seconds to refute.

All the epistles won't keep you busy?

[Wondergirl]

Here's the list again, in case you misplaced it. Every single item can be supported with Paul's words from his epistles (as you have admitted), and the conclusion is that only homosexuality fits.

Paul --
1. felt tremendous guilt and shame
2. loathed himself
3. spouted self-judging rhetoric
4. had negative feeling toward his own body
5. felt controlled by something he had no power to change
6. experienced a war between what he desired with his mind and what he desired with his body
7. was driven to a legalistic religion of control
8. feared when his legalism was threatened
9. had an "interesting" attitude toward women
10. Refused to seek marriage as an outlet for his passion
11. Wrote, "And to help me keep from being too elated by the abundance of revelation, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I sought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; but he said to me 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness' " (2 Cor. 12:7-9)
12. Also wrote, "You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first; and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus" (Gal. 4:13)
13. Felt beyond redemption as per his Jewish upbringing and thus, even more, appreciated what Christ had accomplished

[Tj3]

All the epistles won't keep you busy?

When you take passages out of context, or you alter the words, it is far too easy to refute such claims.

So, no, your out of context references do not keep me busy.

[Wondergirl]

When you take passages out of context, or you alter the words, it is far too easy to refute such claims.

So, no, your out of context references do not keep me busy.

Good try, Tom, but your accusations don't wash. Look at the list again.

[Tj3]

Here's the list again, in case you misplaced it. Every single item can be supported with Paul's words from his epistles (as you have admitted), and the conclusion is that only homosexuality fits.

Paul --
1. felt tremendous guilt and shame
2. loathed himself
3. spouted self-judging rhetoric
4. had negative feeling toward his own body
5. felt controlled by something he had no power to change
6. experienced a war between what he desired with his mind and what he desired with his body
7. was driven to a legalistic religion of control
8. feared when his legalism was threatened
9. had an "interesting" attitude toward women
10. refused to seek marriage as an outlet for his passion
11. wrote, "And to help me keep from being too elated by the abundance of revelation, a thorn was given me in the flesh, a messenger of Satan, to harass me, to keep me from being too elated. Three times I sought the Lord about this, that it should leave me; but he said to me 'My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness' " (2 Cor. 12:7-9)
12. also wrote, "You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first; and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus" (Gal. 4:13)
13. felt beyond redemption as per his Jewish upbringing and thus, even more, appreciated what Christ had accomplished

Saw it before - post it a hundred times and it still won't be any more effective because none of these support your argument. If you think that they do, then pick the one that you think is the best / strongest argument and let's look at it in more detail.

[Tj3]

Good try, Tom, but your accusations don't wash. Look at the list again.

To be honest, I find it hard to believe that anyone would seriously post ANY of these as supposed arguments to claim Paul was homosexual. I am left to wonder if you are serious, or just playing a time wasting game.

It is also important to note that some of these are not even scriptural.

[Wondergirl]

Saw it before - post it a hundred times and it still won't be any more effective because none of these support your argument. If you think that they do, then pick the one that you think is the best / strongest argument and let's look at it in more detail.

I just didn't want you to rail at me to post the list again. I know how you get. And the more you deny the very real possibility of Paul's homosexuality, the sillier your comments get.

[Tj3]

I just didn't want you to rail at me to post the list again. I know how you get. And the more you deny the very real possibility of Paul's homosexuality, the sillier your comments get.

You claim a very real possibility - please show me a real argument. If you think that there is ANY credibility in that list, pick out the number one strongest argument and let's examine it from scripture (second time of asking).

[Tj3]

I know how you get.

I see once again when I disagree with you, you feel the need to go after me personally rather than deal with the issue.

[Wondergirl]

You claim a very real possibility - please show me a real argument. If you think that there is ANY credibility in that list, pick out the number one strongest argument and let's examine it from scripture (second time of asking).

What a guy! Such patience. Rather, please refute any/all of the items in the list, that they were not alluded to or stated by Paul.

[Tj3]

What a guy! Such patience. Rather, please refute any/all of the items in the list, that they were not alluded to or stated by Paul.

I have already refuted some, and showed you non-scriptural changes that you made.

So, which argument is, in your opinion, the strongest?

[Wondergirl]

1. It is about the size of a marble.
2. It is usually reddish, purple, black, dark blue, yellow, pink, or green.
3. It growns on a vine.
4. Juice and wine can be made from it.
5. There may be a seed or seeds inside.
6. Jam and jelly can be made from it.
7. It can be eaten raw.
8. It is a fruit.
9. It can become a raisin.
10. Most varieties of this are native to the Mediterranean and Central Asia.

It is a ______________.

[Wondergirl]

I have already refuted some, and showed you non-scriptural changes that you made.

Here we go. The rollercoaster just left on its run.

[Tj3]

Here we go. The rollercoaster just left on its run.

You still cannot identify any strong arguments? Take your time, I can wait.

[Wondergirl]

I have already refuted some, and showed you non-scriptural changes that you made. You still cannot identify any strong arguments? Take your time, I can wait.

You are so darn predictible, like Big Ben.

[Tj3]

You are so darn predictible, like Big Ben.

Right, I examine each argument based upon it's merits.

[Wondergirl]

Right, I examine each argument based upon it's merits.

it's = it is
its = possessive pronoun

Don't feel bad. Excon has trouble with that one too.

[Tj3]

it's = it is
its = possessive pronoun

Don't feel bad. Excon has trouble with that one too.

Now if only you were so meticulous at examining the context of scripture, we might be able to conclude this discussion.