[Wondergirl]

Usually only because the overwhelming majority of males are straight. The percentage of pedophile homosexuals is no less however, and some studies have shown a notably higher rate of pedophilia amongst homosexual males. regardless, I am not sure what this has to do with what we are discussing.

If you do a literature search and check into legit studies, you will discover that pedophiles are not homosexuals, but are straight men or women -- to the tune of 98%. Pedophiles go after little kids of either gender.

And do you know how to correctly pronounce the word "pedophile"?

The topic of pedophilia was brought up by you earlier in this thread.

As for the OP, being gay is neither right nor wrong, but is who you are.

[Tj3]

If you do a literature search and check into legit studies, you will discover that pedophiles are not homosexuals,

No one is arguing a connection, and in fact this seems to be distracting from the issue at hand. And believe it or not, there are legit studies which do not agree with you! (I did my research!! ). Pedophiles can be heterosexual; or homosexual, therefore saying that they are not homosexual is wrong.

But are straight men or women -- to the tune of 98%. Pedophiles go after little kids of either gender.

Just as heterosexuals constitute 98% of the population - so what is your point? It seems that every time that we try to discuss issues of other orientations, you keep bringing up this topic (homosexual pedophiles) for some reason that escapes me.

And do you know how to correctly pronounce the word "pedophile"?

Again, who cares and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

The topic of pedophilia was brought up by you earlier in this thread.

And the topic of homosexual pedophilia was brought up and brought up and brought up by you earlier in this thread.

As for the OP, being gay is neither right nor wrong, but is who you are.

Since we are on the religious discussions site, we should be looking at what scripture has to say:

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
NKJV

[Wondergirl]

No one is arguing a connection, and in fact this seems to be distracting from the issue at hand. And believe it or not, there are legit studies which do not agree with you! (I did my research!! ). Pedophiles can be heterosexual; or homosexual, therefore saying that they are not homosexual is wrong.

Pedophiles are straight. The Catholic priest thing is not a pedophile issue.

Just as heterosexuals constitute 98% of the population - so what is your point?

Homosexuals are at least 12-15% of the population, maybe more.

It seems that every time that we try to discuss issues of other orientations, you keep bringing up this topic (homosexual pedophiles) for some reason that escapes me.

It started with your comment on an earlier page in this thread.

Again, who cares and what does this have to do with the price of tea in China?

Then why did you first mention it?

And the topic of homosexual pedophilia was brought up and brought up and brought up by you earlier in this thread.

Page back. YOU brought it up.

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
NKJV

That's a mistranslation of the word.

[Tj3]

Pedophiles are straight. The Catholic priest thing is not a pedophile issue.

Why do you deny the existence of homosexual pedophiles (check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAMBLA ). They exist whether you like it or not.

Homosexuals are at least 12-15% of the population, maybe more.

Credible studies give a much lower number. These figures inevitably are from homosexual SIGs.
Check out this site: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_AIM_Talk.html

It started with your comment on an earlier page in this thread.

I mentioned pediophiles. You keep bringing up homosexual pediophiles. My only comment was about a group which promotes homosexual pedophile rights (NAMBLA) but at no point did I even suggest that there was an automatic connection between pedophilia and homosexuality, even though some studies do suggest that link. Regardless, if you read what I said, my point was that pedophilia is another sexual orientation (which it is), and if anyone wishes to promote equal rights for all sexual orientations, how far would they take it? NAMBLA and other groups have been fighting for the same rights as homosexuals, using the same arguments based upon their sexual orientation. They have been less successful simply because of the lack of public acceptance of their orientation.

That's a mistranslation of the word.

Experts disagree with you again.

[Wondergirl]

Why do you deny the existence of homosexual pedophiles (check out North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ). They exist whether you like it or not.

You're using WIKIPEDIA as your infallible source??

Think about it. What age are altar boys? Pedophiles don't go after young adolescent males.

Did you figure out how to pronounce the word correctly yet? I rarely hear it said correctly.

Credible studies give a much lower number. These figures inevitably are from homosexual SIGs.

Once you allow them all to emerge from their closets, the number will be higher than we both think it is.

Experts disagree with you again.

Whatever.

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor pederastrists, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

[Tj3]

You're using WIKIPEDIA as your infallible source??

Not an infallible source, but one of many sources. Of course so far you have only made unvalidated claims. So you, so far, are you only source.

Think about it. What age are altar boys? Pedophiles don't go after young adolescent males.

You really need to do a bit more research into the topic. It is all well and good to defend what you believe, but to claim that there is no such thing as a homosexual pedophile stretches your credibility to the breaking point:

Thai police: Three boys identify suspect - CNN.com

Pedophile gets 20 years

Freed pedophile defends boy sex - National - www.smh.com.au

LiveLeak.com - PEDOPHILE who abused 300-400 young boys CAUGHT in Norway after 30 year long Manhunt

N.J. pedophile helps authorities arrest man charged with running Thai boy brothel - Breaking News From New Jersey - NJ.com

Once you allow them all to emerge from their closets, the number will be higher than we both think it is.

Your opinion. Sop far that is all that you have given.

Whatever.

1 Cor 6:9-11
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor pederastrists, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

Interesting how folks who wish to prove a point by finding a translation that they think proves their point rarely give the verse that they use. The original word is malakos which is also translated as "effeminate" in the KJV. It means effectively an effeminate man or alternately a "catamite" which is defined as "a boy or youth who is in a sexual relationship with a man." (check your dictionary - that comes from the Random House Dictionary)

The next word might also interest you - the one translated as sodomites, which means "someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copulation with another male)" (from Wordnet Dictionary by Princeton University)

[excon]

The next word might also interest you - the one translated as sodomites, which means "someone who engages in anal copulation (especially a male who engages in anal copulation with another male)" (from Wordnet Dictionary by Princeton University)

Hello again, T:

I looked it up too... But, I got to tell you, I never saw a word defined with that appendage. Really, the word "especially", doesn't define anything... It's an adverb used as an intensive, i.e. <an especially good essay> <nothing especially radical in the remarks>.

It would seem that somebody other than a lexicographer added that word. Maybe somebody like YOU.

I didn't know there were differing degrees of sodomy. Based upon your definition, I wouldn't know if some males who engage with females in the same manner, are ALMOST, but not quite sodomites? And, is the girl a sodomite too? If they're not "especially" sodomites, what are they?

And, if they practiced their sodomy, will they every make it to the top of the sodomite chain, according to YOUR definition?? Or, will they always be less than the especial sodomites, which you think are only homosexuals??

Just curious.

excon

[Tj3]

Hello again, T:

I looked it up too.... But, I gotta tell you, I never saw a word defined with that appendage. Really, the word "especially", doesn't define anything.... It's an adverb used as an intensive, i.e. <an especially good essay> <nothing especially radical in the remarks>.

It is used a lot - check out the dictionary more often!

[excon]

Hello again, T:

So, I'm dismissed? Why don't you want to argue with me? Cause you got nothing? I think so.

excon

[classyT]

Ex,

I WILL agrue with you. Sodomy is wrong. I don't know why he used "especially"... it doesn't really matter.. it is wrong. PERIOD. What I find interesting is why you want to argue about it. IF you BELIEVE the Bible it really IS a no brainer.. right there in black and white. Course you don't believe the bible.. you are just here to argue.. now AREN't you... Bring it on sunshine... you are going DOWN.

[excon]

Sodomy is wrong.

Hello again, T:

I never said sodomy is right. I simply say that gay marriage is a right. What homosexuals do in their bedroom isn't my business any more than what YOU do is.

Now, I have opinions about the stuff YOU do in the bedroom. I may or may NOT think it's right. But, your right to get married should NOT be based upon my opinion of your sex life. What I think, doesn't matter.

In terms of RIGHTS, it's what the Constitution says that matters.

In terms of religious BELIEFS, and this being the religious discussion board, I'll submit that religions and religious people are free to believe whatever they want to about gay people. They can include them in their church or not as they choose. They can even carry signs saying that homosexuals will go to hell, and that gay marriage should NOT be allowed. That's FINE with me.

But, the government must obey the Constitution.

excon

[Akoue]

For anyone who is interested, the term malakos was used for boy prostitutes. So the verse quoted above is speaking specifically about these, not about some more general phenomenon.

[classyT]

Ex,

You off topic... this is about whether homosexual acitivity is right or wrong according to christian belief. Incidentally most americans disagree with your views on the "rights" of gays to marry. I am one of them, although I feel pretty certain living in a Post christian nation things are beginning to change. You will see it as "progress", I see it as the beginning of the end. The Bible says People will do what is right in their OWN eyes (... ummm that AIN't progress.)

[excon]

Hello again, T:

I couldn't speak intelligently about what a Christian believes. I can barely speak intelligently about what I believe.

excon

[NeedKarma]

... People will do what is right in their OWN eyes (....ummm that AIN't progress.)

I do that every day! You should meet the great kids I have. And feel free to interview my co-workers or hockey teammates about what kind of guy I am. Doing what's right in our own eyes is not the beginning of the end.

[Tj3]

Hello again, T:

So, I'm dismissed? Why don't you want to argue with me? Cause you got nothing?? I think so.

excon

Because I don't see that you provided anything which requires a response or changes anything which I posted.

[Wondergirl]

For anyone who is interested, the term malakos was used for boy prostitutes. So the verse quoted above is speaking specifically about these, not about some more general phenomenon.

Isn't that more pederasty than homosexuality?

[Akoue]

Isn't that more pederasty than homosexuality?

Exactly. As we've discussed on other occasions, one doesn't find talk about what we now think of as homosexuality in the NT. This probably doesn't settle things one way or the other, but it has to be part of the conversation.

[Wondergirl]

Exactly. As we've discussed on other occasions, one doesn't find talk about what we now think of as homosexuality in the NT. This probably doesn't settle things one way or the other, but it has to be part of the conversation.

And it had a religious (as well as "social") aspect to it too, didn't it? I think of it as a wealthy man's preoccupation or prediliction.

[Akoue]

And it had a religious (as well as "social") aspect to it too, didn't it? I think of it as a wealthy man's preoccupation or prediliction.

Right. The religious aspect meant being involved in pagan worship. And it was a common practice among the social elite.