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NeedKarma · Jan 13, 2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

To me and many others homosexual activity is a filthy, repulsive practice.

And yet your priests engage in it with innocent children.

Akoue · Jan 13, 2009, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

And yet your priests engage in it with innocent children.

Somehow I very much doubt that you intended to equate homosexuality and pedophilia.

cozyk · Jan 13, 2009, 05:44 PM

Sin is not what we want or how we feel or if man thinks it should be or should not be, it is the written word of God. Those that try and make it say it is not a sin, merely play with words to even a layman it is obvoius.

Personally, I'm not trying to twist it to say what I want it to say. I just dis-regard it all together. The bible is not my idol.

So to have feelings, no we all have temptations of some sort, it is the actions we do that show where are hearts are at.

Are you gay? I think it is more that what they think, it's what they are. Until you are gay and have that temptation you can't judge.

Just calling on Christ and even calling him Lord does not really make you a Christian, it may by the government rules in the US, but even the bible tells us that many who call him Lord he will not know.
We are known in our actions and in our lifes we live.

What has government rules got to do with anything? I'm confused.

But to me, I personally condemn and consider those groups that do not follow the bible as not really Christian, the ECUSA for me has long ago left the Christian faith and it has for many of its members who leave by the 1000's each year.[/QUOTE]

Could it be that the thousands are becoming more enlightened.?

NeedKarma · Jan 13, 2009, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Akoue

Somehow I very much doubt that you intended to equate homosexuality and pedophilia.

No, it was a very unfortunate combination of the two that happened (and may still be happening) in the churches.

Akoue · Jan 13, 2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

No, it was a very unfortunate combination of the two that happened (and may still be happening) in the churches.

Yup.

arcura · Jan 13, 2009, 08:07 PM

cozyk
Thanks for your opinion on that.
I do believe there will be a judgment day with Jesus as the judge.
The days we love now and how we live them contribute to that judgment.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Fr_Chuck · Jan 13, 2009, 08:30 PM

The 1000's leaving the church are getting enlightened, they are leaving the very liberal church for that of one with moral values.

arcura · Jan 13, 2009, 10:34 PM

Fr_Chuck,
Thank God for those who go and move to the moral Church.
I just wish and hope that the small percentage of ultra liberals in it who support pro-choice and same sex marriage would become moral.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

talaniman · Jan 14, 2009, 05:23 AM

Repentance is the same for the liberal, as the intolerant. We each are responsible for our own life.

Fr_Chuck · Jan 14, 2009, 05:30 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Repentance is the same for the liberal, as the intolerant. We each are responsible for our own life.

And the sins are the same, some merey wish not to admit activities they like are the sin.

cozyk · Jan 14, 2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by 450donn

Because that is what the bible says. You choice to believe it or not. There is but one true God There are not many gods like the Romans or the Greeks or even the Egyptians believed. What I am reading from your comments is that you believe in an inner god (many gods) because if as you are trying to say were true, then your inner god would not be big enough for me too, so I would have to have my own inner god. If you are truly seeking the face of God, then a study of the bible would help you understand that there is but ONE TRUE GOD not many.

Do you not believe that the one true God is big, mighty, and powerful enough to be the inner God to every soul on earth. I think he is powerful enough to spread himself around and still give you his undivided attention. So yes, you have your own inner God too. That is my idea of the "One True God".

Please describe your idea of the one true God. Is he actually sitting on a throne and over seeing the goings on down here. Does he have a score card for everyone, where he makes his judgments? People are offering up prayers and he is making decisions on how to answer them?
I'm really curious about how people that have such a "flesh like" idea of God really perceive him. Please share with us your perception.

cozyk · Jan 14, 2009, 08:37 AM

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Chuck, not long after I posted that, I realized I had understood your last statement to be saying the opposite of what I initially thought it meant. Does that make sense?:confused:

arcura · Jan 14, 2009, 05:13 PM

talaniman.
Very true.
We all ARE responsible for what we do.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

nike 1 · Jan 14, 2009, 05:25 PM

God says it's wrong. Do you think it's wrong? If you do, stop doing it, ask for forgiveness, and don't do it again. Then you'll be fine. If you don't think it's wrong, then how can you ever repent for something you and God disagree on?

arcura · Jan 14, 2009, 05:55 PM

nike 1,
Good question,
Fred

talaniman · Jan 14, 2009, 05:57 PM

Your sins are between you, and your God, not your neighbor. Who cares what the neighbors think?

cozyk · Jan 14, 2009, 06:24 PM

Donn, I am truly curious what your mental image of God looks like.
Actually, this goes out to anyone and everyone. I don't have an image because I feel it goes beyond physical properties. It's more of a state of consciousness.

NeedKarma · Jan 14, 2009, 09:12 PM

talaniman,
I agree.
NK.

arcura · Jan 14, 2009, 09:23 PM

CozyK.
I think the image of God we are created in id NOT a physical one for God is a spirit.
Although we do have a God created spirit we also have other attributes that God has such as the ability to imagine, image things created things, love, and have other emotions.
We also have the ability to create life though we do it through procreation whilr God id the author of life.
Before He was begotten a man through the womb of Mary Jesus was also a spirit called The Word of God.
That is the way I see it.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

simoneaugie · Jan 14, 2009, 10:41 PM

Don't worry, be happy may not "save" you, but do any of us need saving? The Creator put us here with choices such as not murdering. Yet are those who commit murder punished by God? If death is not something to fear, but a ticket to be with God, then people like Hitler are to be thanked.

Sexuality is as natural as eating. Choosing not to harm one another is more sensible than rape. But desiring those of your own sex is not a "sin." If you choose to feel guilty about it, okay. If someone causes fear for you because of the way the Creator made you, well, that doesn't seem sensible to me.

The Bible, or making judgements based on what is written there is legal. Being homosexual is legal too. I don't see the sense in telling you that you are "wrong" and must repent to fit my idea of what you "should" be. If certain Christians have their way, the legality of what other consenting adult a person sleeps with will be put to a vote. This vote will exclude those who would vote nay because they are wrong.