[Mrs Kong Jr]

If I were to not sign a birth certificate for my new born child how does the "straw man" affect him/her? I really do not know too much about it but my child father is trying to teach me. I have about 6 months before she/he is born and want to learn more about it, from different views... please help!

[tickle]

DEFINITION - In general, a strawman is an object, document, person, or argument that temporarily stands in for and is intended to be "knocked down" by something more substantial.

I can't see where it would apply in your case. There is nothing to teach. What does he mean ?

[Mrs Kong Jr]

He do not want our child to have a birth certificate... he wants it to be free in all contents of the word. He is working toward obtaining his Sovereignty. He is saying that we are not "free" because we are considered a property once the birth certificate is signed. Does any of this make sense to anyone?

[JudyKayTee]

He do not want our child to have a birth certificate....he wants it to be free in all contents of the word. He is working toward obtaining his Sovereignty. He is saying that we are not "free" because we are considered a property once the birth certificate is signed. Does any of this make sense to anyone?

Where are you - country/State.

[homebirthmom]

I don't know all or even most of the legallities of this situation. I am pretty sure though that a birth certificate is required if you want to travel abroad.
I understand your man's opinion on the matter, but frankly a birth certificate is pretty necessary. You have to have a birth certificate for so many things. And I'm not sure where you live, but if you refuse, then is the hospital going to let you leave with the child? How can you prove that the child is yours? Under every circumstance I can think of, signing that birth certificate is going to be in your best interest all around.

[Mrs Kong Jr]

Thanks homebirthmom. That is exactly my argument to him. Im pretty sure I have no choice in the matter. I am going to do more research on the topic and see what my options are. Thanks everyone!

[stevetcg]

Trying not to be judgmental on the rational... but you can always not have the baby at a hospital.

As to the legality of the matter... sorry for him wanting to establish his own sovereignty, but while in the U.S. he falls under the sovereignty of the nation and must follow its rules or face the consequences. The government will insist upon a certificate of live birth if for no other reason than to be able to document it's death. Governments are not wild about undocumented death.

If I am not mistaken, babies that live even 1 second are given a birth certificate so there can be a death certificate.

You don't have to sign the B.C. They cannot force you. That doesn't mean one will not be established for the child anyway. There are legal officials in the hospital that will sign it.

[Mrs Kong Jr]

Thanks, I just read more about it and also spoke more in depth with him. He agree that we have to sign the birth certificate, he just believe that we should get the original certificate. Now, reading what I have researched I have a better understanding on the topic. I am going to sign the birth certificate. Thanks everyone. Maybe I should have ask what do I do in a relationship were a mother and a father of a child has so many different views on life? How do we raise a child together? Although we have been together for years, his new found beliefs are not the same as mine.

[JudyKayTee]

I don't know all or even most of the legallities of this situation. I am pretty sure though that a birth certificate is required if you want to travel abroad.
I understand your man's opinion on the matter, but frankly a birth certificate is pretty necessary. You have to have a birth certificate for so many things. And I'm not sure where you live, but if you refuse, then is the hospital going to let you leave with the child? How can you prove that the child is yours? Under every circumstance I can think of, signing that birth certificate is going to be in your best interest all around.

You need a birth certificate to get a passport, in fact.

[JudyKayTee]

Thanks, i just read more about it and also spoke more in depth with him. He agree that we have to sign the birth certificate, he just believe that we should get the original certificate. Now, reading what i have researched i have a better understanding on the topic. I am going to sign the birth certificate. Thanks everyone. Maybe i should have ask what do i do in a relationship were a mother and a father of a child has so many different views on life? How do we raise a child together? Although we have been together for years, his new found beliefs are not the same as mine.

This is a question for the relationship board, not the law board. Hopefully someone with the ability to do so will move it.

[stevetcg]

Thanks, i just read more about it and also spoke more in depth with him. He agree that we have to sign the birth certificate, he just believe that we should get the original certificate. Now, reading what i have researched i have a better understanding on the topic. I am going to sign the birth certificate. Thanks everyone. Maybe i should have ask what do i do in a relationship were a mother and a father of a child has so many different views on life? How do we raise a child together? Although we have been together for years, his new found beliefs are not the same as mine.

That's a whole different ball of wax. You should do research on couples of different religious faiths. That seems to apply to your situation quite nicely, although its not (I assume) a religion issue.

You can get AN original certificate, not the only one. It doesn't belong to you.

[talaniman]

No matter what you do about the relationship, get his name on the birth certificate. His sovereignty has no meaning, when it comes to the rights of you, and your child.