[Tj3]

Ditto!

The difference is that I have valid evidence for what I have stated. You refuse to accept anything that disagrees with what you want to believe, whether it is Biblical or historical.

My memory is sound, have no doubt of that. The accuracy of the book I cannot say, but did I read it and was my depiction of those words accurate? Yes.

I cannot even think of any incident which might have been distorted which resembles what you have described. So if you are accurately reflecting what the book said, I would suggest that the book was not worth the money, nor the time spent to read it.

[Alty]

I would suggest that the book was not worth the money, nor the time spent to read it.

And that's how I feel about the bible.

Tom, can't you just accept that I don't believe in the bible? Can't you just accept that I believe in God without the so called evidence you have?

Think about it. I don't think the bible was written by God, or inspired by God. I don't believe in organized relgion. I do believe in God. That in itself should be pretty amazing to someone like you.

Why the need to make me believe what you believe?

[Tj3]

And that's how I feel about the bible.

That is circular reasoning. You believe that about the Bible because you refuse to consider the evidence for the Bible if it disagrees with what you want to believe.

You are welcome to believe what you wish, but rejecting facts just because you don't like where they lead is just fooling yourself.

Why the need to make me believe what you believe?

You are welcome to believe as you wish, but if you keep pushing your views about the Bible which are contrary to the truth, expect to be challenged.

I should ask you - if you really feel that the Bible is not relevant, why do you keep pushing your opinions?

I must say, I just do not understand why anyone would want to close their eyes to facts just because they might disagree with what they believe. That simply ensures that you are believing something which is not true through self-deception.

As I say, you are welcome to believe what you wish, but why would anyone want to believe something when that believe can be supported only by rejecting facts?

[classyT]

And that's how I feel about the bible.

Tom, can't you just accept that I don't believe in the bible? Can't you just accept that I believe in God without the so called evidence you have?

Think about it. I don't think the bible was written by God, or inspired by God. I don't believe in organized relgion. I do believe in God. That in itself should be pretty amazing to someone like you.

Why the need to make me believe what you believe?

Alty,

I am going to answer... I am sure tj3 will have his own. As a Christian we are given a command by the Lord himself to go out a preach the good news to everyone. I am a Christian... I believe there is ONE way to the Father through Jesus Christ his son. It takes faith plus NOTHING. Anyone who does not believe this the Bible clearly teaches will be sent to a devils hell. This is why I want people to believe. I don't want to see ANYONE go to hell and I really do believe this will happen if you or anyone dies in their sins and doesn't accept Jesus Christ.

Course no one can MAKE you believe this... it has to be your free will. I don't think tj3 wants to MAKE you believe. I think he would like to give you compelling evidence that the Bible is indeed the Word of God and absolute truth.

And just one last thought... EVERYONE has the right to believe what they want to. I don't think I am forcing my beliefs down anyone's throat. :)

[Alty]

ClassyT, I do understand that as a Christian it is your mission to spread the word, and no, you aren't forcing your beliefs down anyone's throat.

I was a Christian, but I'm not anymore. I've told my reasons for that many times. I'm happy being a Deist, and I do accept God into my life, I just don't accept the bible as the "word of God".

My belief is this; if you are a good person, good in this world, treat people kindly and compassionately, then you will go to heaven, even if you don't believe in God.

I don't know who's right and who's wrong, I guess we won't find out until we die, but I don't think that God is going to punish me because I'm not Christian.

The God I believe in is a kind, caring, loving, forgiving God, therefore he will not judge because I don't believe in a book.

You do have a right to your beliefs, and if they bring you comfort then I'm happy for you. My beliefs bring me comfort as well. :)

[classyT]

Fair enough... :)

[Alty]

Fair enough ...:)

:)

[JoeT777]

And just one last thought...EVERYONE has the right to believe what they want to. I don't think i am forcing my beliefs down anyones throat.

Everyone may have rights to think as they please, but not everyone thinks right.

JoeT

[NeedKarma]

Everyone may have rights to think as they please, but not everyone thinks right.

I think we all agree on that.

[Tj3]

Alty,

I am gonna answer ...i am sure tj3 will have his own. As a Christian we are given a command by the Lord himself to go out a preach the good news to everyone. I am a Christian....i believe there is ONE way to the Father thru Jesus Christ his son. It takes faith plus NOTHING. Anyone who does not believe this the Bible clearly teaches will be sent to a devils hell. This is why I want people to believe. I don't want to see ANYONE go to hell and i really do believe this will happen if you are anyone dies in their sins and doesn't accept Jesus Christ.

course no one can MAKE you believe this...it has to be your free will. I don't think tj3 wants to MAKE you believe. I think he would like to give you compelling evidence that the Bible is indeed the Word of God and absolute truth.

And just one last thought...EVERYONE has the right to believe what they want to. I don't think i am forcing my beliefs down anyones throat. :)

Good answer.

[Alty]

Everyone may have rights to think as they please, but not everyone thinks right.

JoeT

I agree. But even though I don't think you're right, you still have the right to believe what you want.

Peace.

[asking]

I agree. But even though I don't think you're right, you still have the right to believe what you want.

Peace.

I agree.

As my father used to say to people he disagreed with, "You're entitled to your stupid opinions." He was usually grinning, and I always thought it was funny. :)

[Credendovidis]

I agree. But even though I don't think you're right, you still have the right to believe what you want.

That seems to be the general line of thought here, except for a very few creationist exceptions.

From me everyone may BELIEVE whatever he/she prefers.

Elevating BELIEFS to a level of "truth" without OSE, I will however always oppose !

:)

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[Tj3]

From me everyone may BELIEVE whatever he/she prefers.

As long as they don't mind being abused for their beliefs. :D

Elevating BELIEFS to a level of "truth" without OSE, I will however always oppose !

Agreed - show us the OSE for Atheism.

[Alty]

As long as they don't mind being abused for their beliefs.

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

[Tj3]

Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

I note that you choose to make accusations without backup. That is so often the alternative that people choose rather than deal with the issues at hand. Why can we not simply deal with the facts?

Why is not possible to stay on the topic?

[Alty]

Tom, you've harassed and abused me many times on many different posts, just because I don't agree with you.

I'm not willing to go back and find all of the posts, I don't have the time or the desire, but you know it's true.

It never ceases to amaze me that a person such as yourself, a Christian, a believer in the bible, doesn't even follow the ten commandments. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor? Or did they change it to "Love thy neighbor but only if he agrees with you" ?

Ho hum. :(

[Tj3]

Tom, you've harassed and abused me many times on many different posts, just because I don't agree with you.

If you really believed that, you could at least come up with some evidence of your accusations.

I'm not willing to go back and find all of the posts, I don't have the time or the desire, but you know it's true.

Yeah, I did not think that you would - yet you claimed that it happened "many time on different posts". That is the problem with false accusations - hard to find evidence. Easy to make unsubstantiated accusations, but really hard to actually back them up. So might as well just post the false accusation and then refuse to come clean. It is also easier to try to smear another person than to deal with the issue if things go against what you want to believe. That is why you find Cred always making false accusations and engaging in name-calling.

Is this one of your "good works"?

Why don't you deal with the issue?

[Tj3]

Now, let's see if we can get back on topic:

Elevating BELIEFS to a level of "truth" without OSE, I will however always oppose !

Agreed - show us the OSE for Atheism.

[Alty]

If you really believed that, you could at least come up with some evidence of your accusations.

Fine, I'll compile a list of evidence if that's what you really want, give me a few days, it's late and I don't want to search tonigh. Of course, knowing you, you'll say something like "of course it sounds bad, if you read the verse before and after what was quoted then it wouldn't be bad at all".

I know your games Tom, you never play fair. Sadly, I'm now going to your level, and I hate that.

Is this one of your "good works"?

No, this is me at my worst, and I'm not proud of it, but alas, I am human. When goaded I usually fight back. And your excuse?