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 Originally Posted by Galveston1
Surely what you posted is not OSE for the existence of "God"? All you posted is some watery extract of Pascal's Wager - an already many years ago rejected and invalid wild claim. As to the disappearance of these millions you mentioned : In the US banking and sharetrade business many thousands of millions have recently already disappeared... After that it was suggested that the outcome of last Tuesday's elections would result in many millions of US citizens disappearing over the borders... Does that mean that the process you refer to has already started?? :D :D :D :D :D :D . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
For example, I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much more so in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite's eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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When you go can you please make sure you take all of the religious people with you and not just the Christians. Otherwise they will just claim that their god wiped you out and could you imagine how hard it would to prove that wrong. |
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Originally Posted by michealb
John 14:6 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. NKJV When we are rapture, all those who rejected the Saviour remain behind. It is my hope and paryer that a few as possible are left behind, but scripture suggests that only a remnant will be saved. I am hoping that you will some day receive the truth and be amongst that remnant. |
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Originally Posted by michealb
(At least) all Christians suddenly disappear... All 2 billion of them. Keeping in line with their ideas, most of them will end up in a very hot place, and only small amount of them will find their way up the high road... Most hypocrites and most intolerant and insincere people gone... No more religious infighting and unfair treatment of those remaining... At last an excellent and effective way to reduce global warming... I wonder though if "God" (may "God" exist) really will be happy with these few incoming troublemakers... I wish "God" all the strength that is possible. "God" will need it... === Now where were we ? Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? :) . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much more so in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite’s eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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Originally Posted by Tj3
Back to the topic : Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much more so in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite’s eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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Back to the topic :
Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? :) . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the end result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much moreso in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite's eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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Tj3 : you have been reported again for topic abuse...
Back to the topic : Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? :) . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Keep asking and I will be happy to keep answering. Why, I ponder, do you keep asking the question, and avoiding the answer? I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the end result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much moreso in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite’s eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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Tj3 : I could not display better how intolerant and hypocrite you are, than you do yourself with your deliberate topic disturbing posts.
Is this your approach also in your activities in or with the Christian Discernment Resources, the Last Days Bible Conference, and/or the Signs of Scripture Conference? Back to the topic question : Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? " :) . . |
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Those who love truth do not fear the truth. Keep asking and I will be happy to keep answering. Why, I ponder, do you keep asking the question, and avoiding the answer? I did not see your response to this post: A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the end result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much moreso in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite’s eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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Back to the topic question :
Can any query and/or answer on any subject (the topic refers to some queries on evolution as example) ever be valid as OSE for the existence of "God"?? :) . . |
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TJ3 The reason the watch maker argument is not a good argument because life reproduces on it's own with differences. The watch doesn't. So if you could find a life form that doesn't reproduce and pops in out of nowhere you would have valid argument but that is not the case so you don't. And as far a Trilobite eyes. You don't understand how evolution works so you don't understand the things you read about it. If you would like to start your own thread I'm sure many people here would be happy to teach you about evolution. |
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Originally Posted by michealb
Your argument is self-defeating. You are saying that because a living creature is even more complex than a watch means that, though the watch is evidence of design and a manufacturer, that the creature isn't. This would be akin to saying that a Macintosh computer is evidence of a desiogner, but a more complex system such as a supercomputer is not. Or because it reproduces on its own, that computer viruses came about naturally with no programmer involved. That argument makes no sense.
And as far a Trilobite eyes. You don't understand how evolution works so you don't understand the things you read about it.
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Originally Posted by Credendovidis
Those who love truth do not fear the truth. A study of nature does indeed provide OSE for an intelligent design and creation. Just as when we see a Macintosh Computer, that is OSE for the existence of engineers who designed the computer even though you cannot see them, or when I see a Ford Truck going down the street, that is evidence of an intelligent designer and manufacturer who designed and built the truck, even though I do not see who did it. In each case we see the end result, the evidence that provides un-mistakable evidence of intelligent design. Likewise in nature, we see designs of far greater complexity than we see in cars or home computers, and if we can see evidence of a designer in a car or computer, how much moreso in nature where the technology is so far beyond our technology as to not be even within grasp. For example when we see the design of the trilobite eyes, we see the evidence of design: TRILOBITE EYES Trilobyte fossils, according to evolutionists, are amongst the oldest in the fossil record, estimated to be 500 million years old. Yet the trilobyte eyes are amongst the most advanced, if not the most advanced of any animal right up to modern day. Their vision was excellent and the lenses were a double lens with a hard crystal construction to provide enhanced protection for the eye. In addition, the eyes Trilobites "possessed the most sophisticated eye lenses ever produced," and their vision may actually have "been superior to current living animals" (Shawver, Lisa. 1974. Trilobite Eyes: An Impressive Feat of Early Evolution. Science News 105:72). In “Trilobites” (1993. University of Chicago Press), R. Levi-Setti said that the "real surprise" was that the "basic lens designs" were “engineered with such ingenuity". The article went on to say that "This optical doublet is a device so typically associated with human invention that its discovery in trilobites comes as something of a shock. The realization that trilobites developed and used such devices half a billion years ago makes the shock even greater. And a final discovery – that the refracting interface between the two lens elements in a trilobite's eye was designed in accordance with optical constructions worked out by Descartes and Huygens in the mid-seventeenth century – borders on sheer science fiction" (p. 54). Further, since these were so early in time according to evolutionists, how could these evolve an eye so advanced that it rivals or exceeds complexity and advancement of eyes that exist today, with a design that clearly shows signs of engineering according to scientists, with no transition at all seen in the fossil record. Over and over again, we see that those who believe that life came about naturally with no intelligent designer or creator cannot come up with a feasible answer as to how these things came to be. |
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I'm confused about what you're asking about the trilobyte eye or why you're repeating it. There seems to be no question in there. What is the problem with them having evolved a more advanced eye than a human? Octopi have more advanced eyes than us too... |
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