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Unknown008 · Nov 6, 2008, 01:16 AM

aaj2008,

I'm not a catholic, but I believe in God. How were fiction invented? I don't know but that perhaps have emerged from the what you call 'story' of Noah.

Blessings.

wannatruth · Nov 6, 2008, 03:05 AM

I myself don't believe and start associating things with scientific or other logical explanations to it... but if somebody believes I appreciate it as I always associate these things with raising hopes and being positive in life which is good and no harm for anybody...

michealb · Nov 6, 2008, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Different ones have given testimonies of miracles done in the name of Jesus Christ. They have answered the post, while others have answered in the negative, saying there is no OSE. They will never get any more OSE than they have already had, and indeed for most of them there could never be enough OSE to satisfy them.

Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up!

Actually you are right on some level, there will never be enough OSE to satisfy me because the god of the bible doesn't exist. In order for there to be enough OSE to convince me it would have to exist. However if it did exist there would be several things that would convince me I'm wrong. For example proof of the devil, angels, demons, ghosts, bigfoot, god speaking to me, Jesus speaking to me, god actually striking me down when someone of faith asks for it, finding one artifact that has super powers(Holy Grail granting life for example) and super powers granted through prayer. I'm sure there are many more things that would convince me that a god existed these are just a few.

I'd like to ask you the same question what would convince you that the god of the bible doesn't exist?

Galveston1 · Nov 6, 2008, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

I'd like to ask you the same question what would convince you that the god of the bible doesn't exist?

Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist.

The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument.

michealb · Nov 6, 2008, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist.

The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument.

Don't confuse them with facts, their minds are made up!

Yet you accuse atheists of having their mind made up. Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you?

TexasParent · Nov 6, 2008, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist.

The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument.

Exactly the point I have been trying to make. God has revealed himself to me through my experiences and he tells me that my understanding is truth; but if you must know the truth of my experiences does not match the literal bible; some of the principles, but not the details.

Does that make my experience trump any biblical arguments? I believe so, but unlike those with a biblical argument, I can accept your experience is truth to you, are you willing to accept my experience is truth to me and leave it at that rather than resort to an argument?

classyT · Nov 6, 2008, 04:43 PM

Texas,

God can't lie and God can't go against his Word. He places HIS WORD ABOVE HIS NAME. It is THAT important. So if it what you think God is revealing to you as truth does NOT line up with his Word... then it isn't GOD.

TexasParent · Nov 6, 2008, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by classyT

Texas,

God can't lie and God can't go against his Word. He places HIS WORD ABOVE HIS NAME. It is THAT important. So if it what you think God is revealing to you as truth does NOT line up with his Word...then it isn't GOD.

Jesus said that God's new Covenant will be written in the hearts of men. Is that everyone except for me? ;)

Also, I was under the impression God could do as he pleases. Do you think he is bound by the Bible?

classyT · Nov 7, 2008, 09:19 AM

Texas,

He is bound by his WORD. He won't go against it.. ever. He isn't going to tell you something that is contrary to what he has already said. That is all I mean.

Capuchin · Nov 7, 2008, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

So IF you saw Jesus perform miracles would you believe?
:)Peace and kindness,:)
Fred (arcura)

Under proper scientific observing conditions with any possibility of chichanery taken away? Sure.

Galveston1 · Nov 9, 2008, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

Yet you accuse atheists of having their mind made up. Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you?

And you are implying-------what?

michealb · Nov 9, 2008, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

And you are implying-------what?

That you're a hypocrite. If your fine with that so am I. I just wanted you to know that there is a word for what you are.

Credendovidis · Nov 9, 2008, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Galveston1

And you are implying-------what?

First you stated : "Since I am one of His sons, and am acquainted with Him by the Holy Spirit, nothing can convince me that He doesn't exist."

A wild claim, as no OSE for that suggestion is provided.

Than you stated : "The man with the experience is never at a disadvantage to the man with the argument".

Another wild claim, as no OSE for that suggestion is provided.

Actually you SUGGEST you are better than one without "the experience".

Better? To state that (specially without any support) is a case of haughtiness and hypocrisy.

Seeing the conversation (posts #104 and 105) it seems more a case of :

"If you're not perfect yourself , you'd better tone down to others !!! "

:D :D :D :D :D :D

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Credendovidis · Nov 9, 2008, 04:18 PM

Back to the topic : If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?

And if so, WHY ? And WHAT would you believe in that case ?
Or is the question actually NONSENSICAL, as Jesus died some 2000 years ago, and IF (note the big "IF") in some hypothetical way Jesus would come back, it would (accordingly to the Christian manual to life) be too late anyway to believe.

:)

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Galveston1 · Nov 10, 2008, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by michealb

That your a hypocrite. If your fine with that so am I. I just wanted you to know that there is a word for what you are.

Because I state that you can not change my mind, and that nothing I can say will change yours, that makes me a hypocrite? You have a strange concept of what that is.

michealb · Nov 10, 2008, 05:54 PM

That isn't what you said if it was you wouldn't be a hypocrite what you said what that our minds were made up and nothing would change our minds, as if you had an open mind.

classyT · Nov 10, 2008, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Back to the topic : If you saw Jesus work miracles would you believe?

And if so, WHY ? And WHAT would you believe in that case ?
Or is the question actually NONSENSICAL, as Jesus died some 2000 years ago, and IF (note the big "IF") in some hypothetical way Jesus would come back, it would (accordingly to the Christian manual to life) be too late anyway to believe.

:)

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Cred,

You are wrong. It wouldn't be too late to believe. The only ones that it will be too late for is the ones that HEARD the truth (the gospel) and rejected it. They will be the ones with the mark of the beast on their forehead or right hand.

(p.s. you will have to take your mark on the hand on account of the gigantic L on your forehead).. LOL I crack me up. It was a joke.. don't go getting all ticked at me.:D

arcura · Nov 10, 2008, 07:41 PM

I have heard that we all in some ways or times are hypocrites.
I TEND to agree with that.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

NeedKarma · Nov 11, 2008, 04:10 AM

Hi Fred,
Could you answer the question I asked way back on page 10?

arcura · Nov 11, 2008, 11:08 AM

NeedKarma,
The question was directed at anyone on this thread.
I thot that was obvious.
Peace and kindness,
Fred