[tomder55]

Re:Keating 5 .

80% of the Keating 5 were Dems and McCain was completely exonerated by the Dem investigator Robert Bennett (who you will recall also served as Clintoon's laywer during the impeachment ).

Bennett recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that McCain be found clean but the Democrat led Senate had to make a case against him because he was the only Republican on the hook. The Senate Ethics Committee found McCain and Glenn to be the least blameworthy of the five senators. (McCain and Glenn attended the meetings but did nothing else to influence the regulators.) McCain was guilty of nothing more than "poor judgment," the committee said, and declared his actions were not "improper nor attended with gross negligence."


Still McCain conceeds his poor judgement in befriending Keating .He has since spent his career in the Senate dedicated to reform ;even passing laws I despise like McCain Feingold.

[talaniman]

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM11...complaint.html,

My point is that nobody has clean hands, and sill don't. If you have to make someone look good, by making someone else look worse, we are all in trouble.

[tomder55]

What makes them think that McCain ever wins gambling ? He and his wife are rich enough and could certainly afford tens of thousands of dollars in gambling losses every year.. The few times I went to Atlantic City I knew how much money I had in hand and that I would probably not come home with it. I think it would be rare that if he spent some time in the casinos that he would have an income to report against all his losses.

Edit : by the way ;Obama plays low stakes poker as part of his recreation. I hear he is pretty good at it.

[speechlesstx]

http://www.politico.com/static/PPM11...complaint.html,

My point is that nobody has clean hands, and sill don't. If you have to make someone look good, by making someone else look worse, we are all in trouble.

It seems more like your point is do as say and not as I do, seeing as you continue post accusations against McCain while complaining about others “making someone else look worse.” I’ll agree that none of them have clean hands, but only one seems to have the integrity to acknowledge his mistakes – and his name isn’t Obama.

And by the way, choosing CREW to help make your point was let's say, an interesting move.

[speechlesstx]

Ok tal, let's put the shoe on the other foot.

Obama: My Weekly Poker Game With Lobbyists Is Okay, But McCain's Gambling Isn't

Politico: "The DNC is buying ads on religious Web sites to highlight the McCain gambling ties reported on Sunday’s New York Times front. BREAKING: “Watch for Obama to use the story about McCain and gambling in the NYT yesterday to drive his change message, especially on the economy and the influence of lobbyists.” Team Obama will argue this reflects on temperament and judgment."

That would be this New York Times story, describing McCain playing the craps table with Rick Davis and Scott Reed. Davis is a longtime McCain friend and associate, currently his campaign manager, who runs a lobbying firm that represented Indian tribes with casino interests. Reed also worked as a lobbyist for Indian tribes, but he was also Bob Dole's campaign manager in 1996, where McCain is a top surrogate. To define these longtime buddies of McCain as lobbyists, you would also have to define David Axelrod as a lobbyist.

Beyond that, are we supposed to ignore the fact that the criticism is going to come from the guy who used to have a weekly poker game with lobbyists?

USA Today, July 6 of this year: "On Wednesday nights during Illinois General Assembly sessions, a group of lobbyists and lawmakers used to gather at the headquarters of the Illinois Manufacturers' Association for a weekly poker game. Barack Obama, who represented part of Chicago as state senator from 1997-2004, was a regular."

I guess gambling with lobbyists is scandalous, but if a Democrat does it, it's okay.

Besides the obvious hypocrisy here, let's see who will be quick to chastise the DNC for "buying ads on religious Web sites" to "make someone look good, by making someone else look worse."

[speechlesstx]

Now we know, Louis Farrakhan has officially pronounced Obama as the Messiah - capitalized for your benefit Bobby.

Will MSM Report on Louis Farrakhan Declaration of Obama as the Messiah?
By P.J. Gladnick (Bio | Archive)
October 9, 2008 - 15:52 ET

Imagine the excitement of the mainstream media if they had discovered that some preacher up in Alaska had declared Sarah Palin to be like a deity? Well, the same basic thing happened when the Supreme Minister of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, declared Barack Obama to be a messiah as you can see in this video. I believe this messianic pronouncement by Farrakhan was made last February but the video was uploaded to YouTube just yesterday. Better save this video before it gets scrubbed by the Thought Police. I don't know which is creepier, the pronouncement of Obama as messiah by Farrakhan or that strange cultish smile on his face. Here is the transcript of Farrakhan's annunciation of the Messiah of the Chicago Machine:

You are the instruments that God is gonna use to bring about universal change, and that is why Barack has captured the youth. And he has involved young people in a political process that they didn’t care anything about. That’s a sign. When the Messiah speaks, the youth will hear, and the Messiah is absolutely speaking.

The strange thing here is that Farrakhan is announcing just what much of the media has been promoting; the idea of Barack Obama as some supernatural spiritual leader. As chronicled here in NewsBusters several months ago, photos of Obama with a glowing halo behind him began to pop up. And then there was Mark Morford, a San Francisco columnist and Zen Master (New Age way of staring at your own navel), who declared Obama to be a Lightworker:

Barack Obama isn't really one of us. Not in the normal way, anyway.

This is what I find myself offering up more and more in response to the whiners and the frowners and to those with broken or sadly dysfunctional karmic antennae - or no antennae at all - to all those who just don't understand and maybe even actively recoil against all this chatter about Obama's aura and feel and MLK/JFK-like vibe.

To them I say, all right, you want to know what it is? The appeal, the pull, the ethereal and magical thing that seems to enthrall millions of people from all over the world, that keeps opening up and firing into new channels of the culture normally completely unaffected by politics?

No, it's not merely his youthful vigor, or handsomeness, or even inspiring rhetoric. It is not fresh ideas or cool charisma or the fact that a black president will be historic and revolutionary in about a thousand different ways. It is something more. Even Bill Clinton, with all his effortless, winking charm, didn't have what Obama has, which is a sort of powerful luminosity, a unique high-vibration integrity.

Dismiss it all you like, but I've heard from far too many enormously smart, wise, spiritually attuned people who've been intuitively blown away by Obama's presence - not speeches, not policies, but sheer presence - to say it's just a clever marketing ploy, a slick gambit carefully orchestrated by hotshot campaign organizers who, once Obama gets into office, will suddenly turn from perky optimists to vile soul-sucking lobbyist whores, with Obama as their suddenly evil, cackling overlord.

Here's where it gets gooey. Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul.

So with media nutcases like Mark Morford declaring Obama to be a "Lightworker," should we be surprised that the MSM won't find anything unusual in Farrakhan's pronouncement of Obama as the Messiah?

[excon]

McCain was completely exonerated by the Dem investigator Robert Bennett (who you will recall also served as Clintoon's laywer during the impeachment ).

Hello tom:

You make it sound as though facts matter when smears are made. But, you don't seem to care about them when you smear Obama...

I say, let the smearing begin, which will wind up in a blowout for Obama.

There is one good thing about the current economic breakdown. There's going to be some changes made - changes that otherwise MIGHT not have happened if we didn't have it.

As painful as it is, it bodes well for our future. The old white haired erratic dude represents the past.

excon

[tomder55]

What have I said that is not factual ?

[tomder55]

There is one good thing about the current economic breakdown. There's going to be some changes made - changes that otherwise MIGHT not have happened if we didn't have it.

You mean like Berlusconi of Italy saying they want to suspend the markets while international financial rules are "rewritten."

Are those the type of changes you desire . Choux has made it clear she does.

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

I haven't read everything you've written recently, but Sarah Palin is saying that Obama and Eyres palled around. You didn't?

excon

[BABRAM]

Now we know, Louis Farrakhan has officially pronounced Obama as the Messiah - capitalized for your benefit Bobby.

So you, of course, are in agreement with Louis Farrakhan and give Obama the respect of full messiahship? Wow!

[speechlesstx]

So you, of course, are in agreement with Louis Farrakhan and give Obama the respect of full messiahship?! Wow!

Bobby, I've no more done that than you've shown signs of intelligence.

[BABRAM]

Bobby, I've no more done that than you've shown signs of intelligence.

Steve, you did this to yourself... yet again. Those that have been so gloriously bored to have witnessed your reasoning on this cyberspace highway of politics, know the signs of your intelligence to be: flammable, slow, downgrade, and dead end. I honestly don't think you comprehend what you've done in your effort to ridicule Obama. By emphasizing the first letter in "messiah," with a capital letter, you are giving an undue honor. Just because someone else does so, BTW Farakkhan is part of an extremist minority, why do you choose to follow? In your case, as a Christian, that demotes Jesus. As a Jew, I emphasize on future consideration with respect to The Messiah. Don't let your ego get in the way of learning. :)

[speechlesstx]

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama... but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

[Galveston1]

Old proverb: A man is known by the company he keeps.

[excon]

Hello Gal:

And, YOU keep company with ME. It could be said, that you PAL around with exconvicts. If you were running for something, your opposition would certainly say it. It wouldn't be true, of course, but smearmongers don't care much for truth.

In fact, the link between Obama and Ayers is just SLIGHTLY closer than yours and mine.

Or, it could be said, like an Obama guy did the other day on Sean Hannity, that Hannity PALS around with anti-semitics, since he gave over his whole show to interview one. I don't know if it's true or not, but it certainly COULD be said.

But, these DETAILS aren't important to the smearmongers...

excon

[talaniman]

Old proverb: A man is known by the company he keeps.

What if he keeps company with a lot of folks, from many walks of life??

The weird thing is that no one seems to have room for the fact that no matter what side your on, we are all on the same side.

Even McCain has said that even though he, and Obama, disagree on fundamentals, he was a good, and decent man. Whoa, you don't believe your own guy???

[BABRAM]

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama...but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

Huh? How many times did you take the GED before passing the English portion? Where did I say that "any honor he receives is undue?"

[speechlesstx]

Huh? How many times did you take the GED before passing the English portion? Where did I say that "any honor he receives is undue?"

Very funny, Bobby, now you really look like an a$$. I passed the GED first time in 1978 with no studying whatsoever. Oh, and you were the one who said the honor was "undue," not me.

[BABRAM]

Bobby, only you would think I've given honor to Obama...but at least you admit any honor he receives is "undue."

Ok. Stevie, get out your number two pencil and big chief tablet. And stop throwing spit balls at the chalkboard! Look at the bold section that has been highlighted for your convenience. Now read that section again and write it down.

Very funny, Bobby, now you really look like an a$$. I passed the GED first time in 1978 with no studying whatsoever.

Criteria standards must had been very low that year.

Oh, and you were the one who said the honor was "undue," not me.

If your reading comprehension level was on par with your ego, you wouldn't be stuck in another jam here. You claimed that I "admit any honor he receives is "undue."" I'm asking you to to prove your statement factually by showing me (and the board) where I said such. It's a very simple request, but can you fulfill it?