[spitvenom]

No his grandfather was not a Senator I don't know where you got that from. He served in WWII but was nowhere near being a Senator. And yes he went to an Ivy league school and he just finished paying off his student loans in his 40's. See his mind got him into an Ivy league school and student loans are what paid for it. Privileged people don't have to be smart to get into an Ivy league school the just need their Daddy Just ask G DUB.

[tomder55]

See his mind got him into an Ivy league school and student loans are what paid for it.

Percy Sutton, a NY city political icon in the African American community and former lawyer for Malcolm X , told a reporter that Dr. Khalid al Mansour solicited funds and a recommendation on behalf of Obama in order to secure Barack's entry into Harvard.
Sutton says

"I was introduced to him by a friend who was raising money for him and the friends name was Dr. Khalid al Mansour from Texas. He is the principle adviser to one of the world's richest men. He told me about Obama. He wrote to me about him and his introduction was 'there is a young man that has applied to Harvard and I know that you have a few friends left there becasue you used to go up there to speak, would you please write a letter in support of him?'...I wrote a letter in support of him to my friends at Harvard saying ot them I thought there was a genius that was going to be available and I sure hoped they would treat him kindly."

So who is Khalid al-Mansour ? Khalid al-Mansour was originally named Donald Warden. As Donald Warden, he mentored Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, founders of the Black Panthers.
http://bulk.resource.org/gpo.gov/rec...007_E00824.pdf

Dr. Al-Mansour is an International Attorney and Businessman. His college education was obtained at Howard University, where he majored in Philosophy and Logic, and at the University of California School of Law at Berkeley where he received his Doctor of Jurisprudence degree.
He is a Phi Beta Kappa recipient and is listed in the World's Who's Who in Finance and Industry, International Who's Who in the Arab World, Who's Who in Public Affairs, Royal Blue Book of London, International Who's Who of Intellectuals, Who's Who in American Law, Who's Who in California, Who's Who in the World and Who's Who in Black America.
Dr. Al-Mansour has spent most of his adult life as a businessman/lawyer, intellectual, religious activist, author and teacher. His business and professional interests include co-founding the International Law Firm of Al-Waleed, Al-Talal & Al-Mansour, representing the O.P.E.C. interest of the famous Los Angeles trial, I.M.A.W.C. vs. O.P.E.C.; and serving as a co-founder and director of the Saudi African Bank (SAB), the United Bank for Africa (UBA) and the World United Bank for Africa (WUBA).
http://www.ahmeddeedat.co.za/product...AN008D&CAT=DVD

So there is another unanswered question... why did Mansour take such an interest in the young Barack Obama ? Is Obama the Mansourian Candidate ?

[Wondergirl]

If you'd do your homework, you'd find that that story is not true. Here's one short article about it from politico.com:

September 06, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama
Sutton family retracts Obama story

Conservative bloggers have, understandably, spent some time in recent days chasing suggestive comments made by the former Manhattan borough president Percy Sutton earlier this year.

Sutton had suggested in an interview that a former Black Panther and advisor to Saudi royals, Khalid al-Mansour, had played some previously unknown role in Obama's pre-political life.

I wrote about the story in detail here; Obama's camp, apparently puzzled and eager to put the story to rest, flatly denied his knowing al-Mansour, and details of Sutton's account appeared not to make sense.

After I wrote it, al-Mansour also called me back, and said he'd never met Obama, and had no idea where the story came from; his only hesitance in denying it, he said, had been in contradicting Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."

This evening, a spokesman for Sutton's family, Kevin Wardally, e-mailed over a statement that (because there's absolutely no other evidence for the story, and much that contradicts it) seems to put the story to rest for good:

The information Mr. Percy Sutton imparted on March 25 in a NY1 News interview regarding his connection to Barack Obama is inaccurate. As best as our family and the Chairman's closest friends can tell, Mr. Sutton, now 86 years of age, misspoke in describing certain details and events in that television interview.

We regret this unfortunate incident and we ask good conscientious people to extend compassion and grace to Percy Sutton, a man who has served America in many capacities; an officer with the Tuskegee Airmen in World War II and as a public servant who was the first elected African-American Manhattan Borough President.

By Ben Smith 09:30 PM

[BABRAM]

I asked you first, professor. (Did I guess right?)

I disagree. You we're attempting to make a point and I wanted to hear your explanation. I'll prove it to you.

Nice sidestep, Bobby. Now tell me how Obama is DIFFERENT from Jesse and Al.

See! You didn't ask a question. You made a statement.

In which way do you think they're all the same???

I asked the question. Notice that the three question marks are emphasized at the end of my sentence.

[Wondergirl]

Regarding the Obama college loans, here's another one from foxnews.com:

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04...student-loans/

Apparently, their monthly loan payment amounted to more than their mortgage payment. (If you want raw figures, as I librarian I will get those for you.)

[Wondergirl]

Suspicion may be born of prejudice or not. Obama could allay much of this if he would either show that baptismal record or make a clear-cut testimony that Jesus is his Lord. (He does claim to be a Christian, right?)

He has said that more than once, that Jesus is his Lord. Have you become a Doubting Thomas and need to "touch" that proof? (And if you really think about it, how valuable would a baptismal certificate be? Then you'd say, anyone can be baptized Christian and turn Muslim. N.B.: Cassius Clay.)

[inthebox]

How does being a "community organizer"

Qualify one to be POTUS?

[Wondergirl]

How does being a "community organizer" qualify one to be POTUS?

NONE of the candidates is qualified to be POTUS. Like Whoopi Goldberg said, "The only ones qualified are the ones who've already done it."

There is no way to prepare someone to be POTUS. It's on-the-job training.

[inthebox]

So why is a "community organizer" not questioned about his abilities as much as a govenor?


How Many United States Presidents Were Governors First?


Did people not think

Reagan
Clinton
Carter
Fdr


Etc were qualified?


What "community organizers" became POTUS?

[Wondergirl]

So why is a "community organizer" not questioned about his abilities as much as a govenor?

Not "a" governor. "This" governor. Because the former community organizer can think on his feet while chewing gum and patting his stomach.

[inthebox]

What "community organizers" became POTUS?

can think on his feet while chewing gum and patting his stomach.


Is this your litmus test to be POTUS :D

I wonder if FDR in his latter years could do this?

[Wondergirl]

I wonder if FDR in his latter years could do this?

He had proven himself by that time.

[tomder55]

I guess Percy Sutton also has tire tracks on his back from the Obama bus.

I forgot to mention that Sutton named Mansour as an advisor to Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal. The prince that Rudi refused to accept a donation from after 9-11

Wondergirl ,while doing your "homework " did you find a retraction from Percy Sutton himself ? Sutton has been prominent in NY politcs for years and has never been shy for speaking for himself. Why is it that he made the statement on the radio but it is his family that is making the retraction ? Sutton has had close business dealings with Mansour before .It is highly doubtful that he "misspoke" .

I'm thrilled that Ben Smith has become the source of record on this story but he is hardly a reliable source on his own.. is he ? Did he produce a retraction from the primary source on the record ? No he didn't .

What he produced is a statement from "Sutton family adviser" Kevin Wardally.Wardally went so far as to claim Sutton was wrong when he said he wrote a letter of recommendation for Obama to friends at Harvard. Do you really believe he misspoke about both these things ?Sutton's assistant, Karen Malone even questioned who Wardally is . When told he claimed to be a family spokesman, she denied it .

So what we have on one side is a video of Sutton making his claim ;and on the other side, an alleged "spokesman" for Sutton's "family " making a retraction to a blogger. Uh-huh

What we do know about Wardally is that he has been taking on the old guard of Harlem politics .The old guard of Harlem just happens to include Sutton so I think Smith is wrong in his assertion that he has any ties at all to the Sutton family.

Al Mansour has neither confirmed nor denied the accuracy of Sutton's claim. He is determined to keep a low profile so he refuses to speak about the issue of his relationship with Obama.

Obama has not released anything about his "student loan " so we have no way of knowing how much of the alleged loan the Obama family paid off. Harvard as a policy will not release that information without a student's approval. (Obama has also not released any confirming information that he met even the minimum Harvard law School requirements for admission.What we do know is that the standards are very tough and Obama did not exactly shine as a student at Columbia)

Michelle Obama gave her claim without showing how much of the monthly payments they made were for her loan .In fact there has been no confirming information about her statement at all .Their income tax statements from the last 7 years shows no deduction for student loans even though Michelle claims that they did not retire the debt until his 2nd book which they reported as income first in 2005.

[Wondergirl]

Their income tax statements from the last 7 years shows no deduction for student loans even though Michelle claims that they did not retire the debt until his 2nd book which they reported as income first in 2005.

Student loans are deductible?? Boy, did my husband and I screw up our tax returns for ten years. I'll tell my son who is paying off big ones now.

[Galveston1]

OK, Bobby, here's the way it looks to me. Jesse, Al and Barack all seemed to do pretty well financially while putting pressure on various govt and private agencys to provide more free perks for their "community".
So now, what difference do you see?
That help?

[BABRAM]

Well first off Obama, never had to father a child out of wedlock, nor did he ever cheat on his wife. Jesse Jackson on the other hand did. Oddly enough though Jesse holds to a more strict anti-abortion view, as an ordained minister. Whereas Obama practised law and is pro-choice. As for civil rights, all three, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and Barack Obama are faithful to the cause. In that itself, I support. The biggest problem I have with Jesse Jackson is that he's shows up and attempts to take credit for that which he wasn't invited. Obama doesn't operate that way. BTW, Al Sharpton supported Hillary Clinton in the primaries and Jesse Jackson had less than flattering words for Barack Obama... something about cutting his... never mind.

Anyway all three together are by far less affluent with wealth than many of the fat cats in the political realm. However, I do agree with identifying abuses that come in many forms. That's why I advocate strongly for welfare reform, which also separates Obama from others. He actually does want some reform. Your point of contention has far less implications by comparison to that of large Corporations that are receiving tax breaks under the Republicans, while CEO's are getting the perks. This also is one of the reasons the recent bailout bill was scrutinized for fear that it would never trickle down to those in need.

[tomder55]

Wondergirl

http://taxes.about.com/od/deductions...entloanint.htm

[Wondergirl]

Wondergirl

http://taxes.about.com/od/deductions...entloanint.htm

Interest being deductible is a wee bit different from loans being deductible.

[wildandblue]

The whole welfare to work thing, he doesn't get it. There are no jobs out there even for people who desperately want to work and support themselves and want to put a roof aver their head and get food and medical care, let alone people who have a check coming and public housing but need a little incentive to take care of themselves, maybe for the first time in their lives. The people who are struggling to get to work with gas prices, the people who are desperately hanging on to a demeaning or dangerous job for fear of downsizing, or their company is full of illegal aliens... telling them you want to add more laborers to the workforce just makes them angry.

[Wondergirl]

There are lots of jobs open around here. Send 'em this way.

Not sure what you consider a demeaning job. Shelving books at the library? Mopping the hospital floor after cleaning up after a patient?