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arcura · Sep 27, 2008, 07:47 PM

Cred,
I'm amazed that you do not understand what I said.
I know that God exist because he prove that to me.
It is a private thing.
He answers my prayers and saved my life.
That proves it to me.
Peace and kindness,
Frted

Credendovidis · Sep 27, 2008, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

I'm amazed that you do not understand what I said.
I know that God exist because he prove that to me.

No Fred : you BELIEVE that. If you really KNEW (as in "fact/factual"), you would post about that knowledge...

:)

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arcura · Sep 27, 2008, 10:06 PM

Cred,
Please pay attention.
I DID post about that knowledge.
Apparently you did not read ir or did not understand it.
Again here it is.
The proof God provided my was in answering my prayers and saving my life.
That is all the proof I need.
Fred

Credendovidis · Sep 28, 2008, 05:31 AM

Originally Posted by arcura

... I DID post about that knowledge.
Apparently you did not read ir or did not understand it. Again here it is.
The proof God provided my was in answering my prayers and saving my life.
That is all the proof I need. Fred

Dear Fred : that is no proof. That is some personal confirmation based on what you believe, and how your belief influences your thinking.

Of course as I have said so many times, you may BELIEVE that, but that does not make it reality. If it was reality, you could OSE prove that whatever happened to you could ONLY be caused by "God".
But you can't do that. Because your claims on "God" and "God's" actions are all based on BELIEF and on nothing else.

Originally Posted by arcura

The proof God provided my was in answering my prayers and saving my life. That is all the proof I need.

That is fine with me too, as from me you may personally believe whatever you prefer.
But it is no proof as I already explained in my previous sentence.

Dear Fred : I do not know why you are so persistent with that "I know".
It seems to show that you find that the general meaning of "TO BELIEVE" is something inferior to your experience, which you call "TO KNOW".
I see that often also with other Christians who use the term "faith" as some more valuable format of "to believe".

Religion is based on BELIEF, Fred. On nothing but BELIEF.
You may - like you do - give it any other name, but it remains just BELIEF !

:rolleyes:

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gromitt82 · Sep 28, 2008, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Credendovidis

Dear Fred : that is no proof. That is some personal confirmation based on what you believe, and how your belief influences your thinking.

Of course as I have said so many times, you may BELIEVE that, but that does not make it reality. If it was reality, you could OSE prove that whatever happened to you could ONLY be caused by "God".
But you can't do that. Because your claims on "God" and "God's" actions are all based on BELIEF and on nothing else.

That is fine with me too, as from me you may personally believe whatever you prefer.
But it is no proof as I already explained in my previous sentence.

Dear Fred : I do not know why you are so persistent with that "I know".
It seems to show that you find that the general meaning of "TO BELIEVE" is something inferior to your experience, which you call "TO KNOW".
I see that often also with other Christians who use the term "faith" as some more valuable format of "to believe".

Religion is based on BELIEF, Fred. On nothing but BELIEF.
You may - like you do - give it any other name, but it remains just BELIEF !

:rolleyes:

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Dear Fred,
If I were you I would refrain from any more argueing over "BELIEVING" or NOT BELIEVING" with people that, without realizing it, ALSO BELIEVES, although, just the opposite of what billions of people BELIEVE, including you and I. It is totally pointless and a waste of time

Unknown008 · Sep 28, 2008, 10:40 AM

Lol, you are still arguing about THAT? Ok, for some people, like me, they 'know' that God exist, even if for others, it's only a belief. That comes from a feeling... so strong that we cannot deny it. Yesm it's like that, it is far more than a simple belief, but a knowledge.

Btw, Cred, christianism does exist, I realised just today why I said that the other day.

arcura · Sep 28, 2008, 01:00 PM

gromitt82.
Yes.
I agree.
It is useless to agrue about belief and knowing.
I believe what I believe and I know what I personally know.
Enough said.
Fred

Credendovidis · Sep 28, 2008, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

I believe what I beleive and I know what I personally know.
Enough said.

Some people here are amazing too... Though that does not always means a positive view...

:D

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arcura · Sep 28, 2008, 08:11 PM

Cred,
I believe that all people are amazing in some way or another.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Unknown008 · Sep 28, 2008, 08:54 PM

I second that Fred:)!

arcura · Sep 28, 2008, 09:12 PM

Unknown008 ,
Thanks much.
Fred

Credendovidis · Sep 29, 2008, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Unknown

I second that Fred:)!

Everyone does. Do I "third" that than?? :D

Please tell me, Unknown : is that Mauritius the island in the Indian Ocean, or some other location ?

:)

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spyderglass · Sep 29, 2008, 12:30 AM

I will give a fourth to that.
I just love 'listening' to you guys (and gals)

gromitt82 · Sep 29, 2008, 01:27 AM

Originally Posted by Unknown008

lol, you are still arguing about THAT? Ok, for some people, like me, they 'know' that God exist, even if for others, it's only a belief. That comes from a feeling.... so strong that we cannot deny it. Yesm it's like that, it is far more than a simple belief, but a knowledge.

Btw, Cred, christianism does exist, i realised just today why i said that the other day.

I also know that GOD exists. This is exactly why I consider it as sheer waste of time - as far as I am concerned - to argue over what I consider - my privilege - a certitude.
As I'm not prepared to debate whether the earth is spheric or flat I simply refuse to debate whether GOD exists or not.
Therefore I hereby close the subject!

arcura · Sep 29, 2008, 02:40 PM

gromitt82,
Yes it is a waste of time and effort to try to tell those who know that God exists that what the know is just a belief.
It is far more than just a belief no matter what others my or may not believe.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Credendovidis · Sep 29, 2008, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by arcura

Yes it is a waste of time and effort to try to tell those who know that God exists that what the know is just a belief. It is far more than just a belief no matter what others my or may not believe.

Dear Fred : if you can't even convince the theists, than spreading "the word" to non-theists will neither go very well !

:rolleyes:

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arcura · Sep 29, 2008, 06:23 PM

Cred,
2 billion people have been convince that the Christian God exists and others are converting every day.
It happens whether you believe it or not.
Fred

Unknown008 · Sep 29, 2008, 10:32 PM

Yup, from the few disciple. They did a great job, did they? 2 billion today, and it's still increasing! :rolleyes:

EDIT: missed an 's' in disciple.

Clough · Sep 29, 2008, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Unknown008

Yup, from the few disciple. They did a great job, did they? 2 billion today, and it's still increasing!!:rolleyes:

Yeah, that's very true! :)

arcura · Sep 29, 2008, 11:40 PM

Unknown008,
YES!! An it all is because God IS amazing.
Without God there would be no disciples of His or anything else.
God Almighty the creator of all that is seen and unseen.
The maker of existence.
That is what I believe and so does over 2 billion people.
That also is amazing!!
Peace and kindness,
Fred.