[Capuchin]

Such miracles happen all the time! I was in healing service once where i witnessed a blind eyes open, a paralytic healed, and i also witnessed with my own eyes a child who had one leg shorter that the other, his leg grew 2 inches right before our eyes. Miracles happen all the time, the dead are even raised! But ofcourse to you that is all fake.. go figure :rolleyes:

Why is there no solid evidence of such feats?

[NeedKarma]

and i also witnessed with my own eyes a child who had one leg shorter that the other, his leg grew 2 inches right before our eyes.

So how come you never hear of an amputee get their limb back no matter how hard they pray?

[michealb]

what are you asking me for? i am not God. Ask Him.

If you can't answer even a simple question like that how are we suppose to believe that you know anything about god at all. With your god your allowed to make up answers for questions like this and you can't even make up an answer that works. Doesn't that strike you as odd.

[michealb]

On a side note I think it is apparent who has a job where they stare at their email all day long.

[Capuchin]

On a side note I think it is apparent who has a job where they stare at their email all day long.

Haha, actually it's the end of the day for me, my hobby is staring at my e-mail :p

[sassyT]

God created free moral agents. If you are free, you can choose wrong. Anything else is merely a robot.

Angels are free moral agents too, and we have a long history on one of them who chose wrong.

So no, (in the sense you use it) God did not create evil. He created beings that can choose to be evil.

That's right.. Well Said. :)

[arcura]

sassyT,
I also went to a healing service conducted by Father DeOrio and saw what he said the Holy Spirit was doing.
People I knew were healed for various problems plus some others, many were not.
I was not.
The Holy Spirit chose who would be healed.
I had to accept that.
I have seen other miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

[sassyT]

Why is there no solid evidence of such feats?

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence. If it is not sufficient for you then I can help you. I am not here to convince you of anything. Your believing me or not has no material effect on the fact that God does miracles and I have witnessed them. :)

[sassyT]

If you can't answer even a simple question like that how are we suppose to believe that you know anything about god at all. With your god your allowed to make up answers for questions like this and you can't even make up an answer that works. Doesn't that strike you as odd.

No actually it doesn't. There are a lot of things I don't know about God and why He does certain things. My human mind can not even begin to comprehend an omnipotent omniscient, omnipresent Being who has no begging and no end, so how can I even claim I know everything about Him?
What I do know about Him is sufficient for me. So if you have questions about Him that I can not answer, you can ask Him yourself by developing a relationship with Him. I talk to Him every day and He reveals a lot of things to me. So I urge you to ask Him any questions you may have.

[arcura]

sassyT
Very good responses.
Fred

[sassyT]

sassyT,
I also went to a healing service conducted by Father DeOrio and saw what he said the Holy Spirit was doing.
People I knew were healed for various problems plus some others, many were not.
I was not.
The Holy Spirit chose who would be healed.
I had to accept that.
I have seen other miracles.
Peace and kindness,
Fred

Yes that right Acura. My Brother had full blown AIDS and weighted 80lb on his Death bed and God Healed him. He is fully recovered, no trace of the HIV. A true modern day miracle!

[Capuchin]

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence. If it is not sufficient for you then i can help you. I am not here to convince you of anything. Your believing me or not has no material effect on the fact that God does miracles and i have witnessed them. :)

I mean, why are no scientists invited to these healing sessions to write up evidence to publish in journals? This would be a huge scientific breakthrough.

[sassyT]

Well, that's a bit mean of him, isn't it?

In other words, he gave us free will but it is our job to find the right way, to find God, to worship him? Why so many options? It really isn't fair to create free moral agents, give them all these options and then condem them if they make the wrong choice.

Its very fair! You just have to make the right choice. It's that simple.. lol
Jesus said " I put before you life and Death, choose life"
It is amazing how many people choose death.

[sassyT]

I mean, why are no scientists invited to these healing sessions to write up evidence to publish in journals? this would be a huge scientific breakthrough.

Lol.. Scientific break through?? You are joking right?
The things of God are have nothing to do with what human "science".. these are supernatural miracles...
Just so you dong get it twisted let me school you on something...
In case you were not aware of this, Science is the study of natural phenomena, therefore science can never be used to explain or study the supernatural. ;)

[michealb]

Meaning it doesn't work on a regular basis and that if you actually study it. The people weren't really healed and the people that were healed were not healed anymore than a control group. Isn't that what your saying by it being beyond study because if we could study it then it and show that this was not the case then it would be a break through. In your own words though it can never be studied because it is made up or supernatural.

[Capuchin]

lol.. Scientific break through??? you are joking right?
the things of God are have nothing to do with what human "science".. these are supernatural miracles...
Just so you dong get it twisted let me school you on something....
Incase you were not aware of this, Science is the study of natural phenomena, therefore science can never be used to explain or study the supernatural. ;)

Increased rate of healing (or even naturally impossible healing) would be a completely observable phenomenon. Why could it not be studied? If something happens in our world, then it's natural and worthy of scientific enquiry.

[sassyT]

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For Smoked + Galveston1 + De Maria + Arcura + whoever else agrees with the topic header .

Actually the topic header is :


I have the following disagreements with that header :


"God"?? "God" is a CLAIMED to exist deity.
There simply is no OSE for "God's" existence.

Cred, yes, this is what you BELIEVE regarding the existence of God.

And - surprise surprise ! - there is not any OSE for "God" to have established anything at all.
So neither is there is any OSE for "God" to have established anything

Again, this your belief regarding God.

Besides that there is no OSE for "God's" existence, nor for "God" having established anything at all , nothing really noteworthy happened to earth for the last 63 MILLION years (other than perhaps a "homo sapiens" investation, that currently is threatening to destroy the environment of the planet).

Again Cred this is what you believe.

... "thousands of years" is a preposterous statement, that has to be seen in the light of the creationist's claim that the earth etc. is only approx, 6.400 years old (a total ridiculous claim in view of the science supported fact that earth + solar system is already 4,6 BILLION years old.

Again cred this is your opinion and belief on the matter

Besides that there is no OSE for "God's" existence, nor for "God" having established anything, nor for "God's" claimed creation to be thousands of years old, there is one more point that is ludicrous :
Science is not in some sort of match against "God". As far as REAL SCIENCE is concerned there is no "God".

Again These are your Beliefs regarding Science and God.

Science is not catching up at all. How can you catch up with a wild claim without any OSE support ? So far as I know there is no OSE for god/gods at all, so it remains with that BELIEF ONLY.
Therefore science has overtaken and corrected anything that ever has been religious claimed. That includes anything irrespectful of specific religious belief..

Yes this is what you Believe.

NOTE 1 : Science demands that claims are supported by OSE.
NOTE 2 : Science demands that any Theory or Thesis is frequently checked against the latest findings and possible mistakes - thereby correcting itself and insuring that the data is as near to reality as possible.

Yes! This is the only factual statement you have made in this entire post.

Unlike religion, where there are only CLAIMS combined into a story and rules (called DOGMA) that is beyond any scrutiny, it even is beyond any real discussion. You simply has to accept it (You have to BELIEVE it).

However these are just your Beliefs regarding religion.

So back to the topic header :

"Science is now catching up with what God already established thousand of years ago"

A totally unsupported and preposterous wild claim : nothing else!!

This is your opinion based on your Atheistic beliefs. :)

[NeedKarma]

Just watch one episode of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusades and there is your evidence.

Like this?

[michealb]

Actually when you have evidence for things they stop becoming beliefs and become facts. When you don't have evidence they are beliefs. You can believe something other than the facts but that doesn't make the facts beliefs.

[sassyT]

Increased rate of healing (or even naturally impossible healing) would be a completely observable phenomenon. Why could it not be studied? If something happens in our world, then it's natural and worthy of scientific enquiry.

Oh Okey, I see.. if you are talking about the kinds of studies that can be done as Michealb said above then these studdies have already been done.
Check these articles out.


Researchers Look at Prayer and Healing
HowStuffWorks "Can prayer heal people?"
Prayer and Faith Healing, Proof that prayer works
Scientific Evidence of Prayer, Miracles, God and Christianity

The bottom line is miracles happen everyday. Like I said I have witnessed my own brother healed from full blow AIDS by the power of God. Now my brother travels the world preaching the gospel sharing his testimony with the world. I don't need science to prove God does miracles, because I have seen them first hand in my own life.
If you choose to believe you can experience the same miracles yourself. Nothing is impossible to them that believe! :D