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George_1950 · Apr 17, 2008, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Liberals don't abort, women do, conservative AND liberal women. Why are you not blaming the constition and gun manufacturers for gun deaths????

With respect, this makes no sense.

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 04:29 AM

Originally Posted by George_1950

With respect, this makes no sense.

I'll explain it for you. The constitution allows for individuals to own guns yet guns kill innocent people, should that amendment be repealed? Gun manufacturers make guns that kill innocent people, should they be outlawed from making and selling guns? That's the same argument he's using for abortion. If you want to stem abortion go after the individuals that do it and punish them, put them in jail for killing americans. Just like you currently do for the people that kill with guns.

George_1950 · Apr 17, 2008, 07:11 AM

Guns don't kill and people would continue to be killed if there were no guns.

There is no "right" for abortion, per se; it has been "found" within the constitution by the supreme court, activist justices and all that.

On another thread, someone asked, "Does the majority rule?" Every time the majority speaks on abortion, the supreme court speaks louder, unconstitutionally in my view. On gun control, the supreme court is about to speak to the 2nd amendment in a case from the District of Columbia, where the city council banned private ownership of handguns. Now that is an interesting question, where the action of a city government conflicts with the constitution.

Perhaps Hillary and/or Obama will ban pencils and pens for misspelled words.

tomder55 · Apr 17, 2008, 07:49 AM

Both Hillary and Obama waffled on the 2nd Amendment question visa-vie the DC case last night . They both claimed to not know enough about it to comment. Lol He compared 2nd Amendment rights to zoning ordinances. He said he did not fill out the questionair that was submitted in his name in 1996 where he supported making the manufacture and sale of guns illegal in Ill. It was filled out according to Obama by a staffer who did notr consult him (now officially known as "the Ron Paul defense ") .The Politico has already reported that the handwriting on the form matches Obama's .

speechlesstx · Apr 17, 2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I'll explain it for you. The constitution allows for individuals to own guns yet guns kill innocent people, should that amendment be repealed? Gun manufacturers make guns that kill innocent people, should they be outlawed from making and selling guns? That's the same argument he's using for abortion. If you want to stem abortion go after the individuals that do it and punish them, put them in jail for killing americans. Just like you currently do for the people that kill with guns.

The second amendment makes it constitutional to keep and bear arms, it doesn't legalize the use of those guns to take innocent lives. The abortion crowd has successfully argued a "right to privacy" that is not expressed in the constitution which makes it legal to take innocent lives for virtually any reason.

You can't go after doctors for practicing within the rules no matter how many lives they extinguish, or mothers that abort their children. Yet gun control advocates have repeatedly sued gun manufacturers, blaming them for the violence. They have repeatedly insisted on gun bans, even to the point of outlawing the possession of equipment needed to make guns. So yes, the left does want to repeal the amendment that expresses our right to own a gun and they do want to hold gun manufacturers accountable for the actions of others, while protecting a 'right' that isn't expressed in the constitution without holding anyone accountable for the deaths of millions of innocents. And they don't even see the irony...

What about the altar of abortion?

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

You can't go after doctors for practicing within the rules no matter how many lives they extinguish, or mothers that abort their children.

Why can't you go after the mothers? It's no different than the person who murders with a gun. If they are committing murder shouldn't they be tried for first degree murder?

speechlesstx · Apr 17, 2008, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Why can't you go after the mothers? It's no different than the person who murders with a gun. If they are committing murder shouldn't they be tried for first degree murder?

It's simple NK, they didn't do anything illegal. That was part of my point.

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

It's simple NK, they didn't do anything illegal. That was part of my point.

Do you want it to be?

speechlesstx · Apr 17, 2008, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Do you want it to be?

Don't be ridiculous, NK. I think the trauma of aborting one's baby is more than enough punishment for many if not most women. But you're dodging the point, which is easy enough to see.

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 11:07 AM

Ok so abortion should not be illegal. I agree with you.

tomder55 · Apr 17, 2008, 11:32 AM

No abortion should be illegal and if anyone is punished it should be the abortionist who is performing the act ;and even if it is legal ;violating the Hippocratic oath.

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 11:33 AM

So the woman is blameless in your world?

tomder55 · Apr 17, 2008, 11:49 AM

Ultimately there is no abortion without the abortionist .

Hey I got to tell you . Hitler would be jelous of our accomplishments in eugenics. I wonder if Obama ever asks why there are so many familiy planning clinics in poor and minority neighborhoods .

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 11:56 AM

There would be no abortion required if the woman didn't seek it out. Hitler would be proud indeed of the control you wish to put over people.

George_1950 · Apr 17, 2008, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

There would be no abortion required if the woman didn't seek it out.

So, demand justifies supply? Does demand for meth justify its manufacture, sale, and use?

speechlesstx · Apr 17, 2008, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok so abortion should not be illegal. I agree with you.

Personally NK, I think someone is playing games with edits. I remember distinctly saying "Don't be ridiculous" to your suggestion of the possibility of punishing the mothers, not "do I want abortion to be illegal."

speechlesstx · Apr 17, 2008, 01:51 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Ultimately there is no abortion without the abortionist .

Hey I gotta tell ya . Hitler would be jelous of our accomplishments in eugenics. I wonder if Obama ever asks why there are so many familiy planning clinics in poor and minority neighborhoods .

I wonder if Obama ever asks why blacks account for 32 percent of the abortions in the US but account for only 12 percent of the population. Probably not, he sees no sense in 'punishing' women with a baby.

NeedKarma · Apr 17, 2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I wonder if Obama ever asks why blacks account for 32 percent of the abortions in the US but account for only 12 percent of the population. Probably not, he sees no sense in 'punishing' women with a baby.

What can one senator do against a lifetime of american culture? What's McCain's stance on the higher incidence of abortions among blacks?

tomder55 · Apr 17, 2008, 03:43 PM

Steve
Also I think it was you who linked to the audio of the guy calling up Planned Parenthood and asking if he could give a donation contingent on blacks getting the abortion.

Anway if you did not here it is :

YouTube - PART I: Planned Parenthood Racism Investigation

speechlesstx · Apr 18, 2008, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Steve
Also I think it was you who linked to the audio of the guy calling up Planned Parenthood and asking if he could give a donation contingent on blacks getting the abortion.

Anway if you did not here it is :

YouTube - PART I: Planned Parenthood Racism Investigation

And yet as Michelle Malkin pointed out the media is all too eager to do an undercover investigation of military recruiting centers but not Planned Parenthood.