Hello:

I don't know. I don't like how W ruined the country. I think he's a dufus. I don't like how Cheney acts. I don't like neocons. I don't like Mulcasy or Gonzales or Bolton, or the Scooter dude...

But, I would never accuse them of hating America. Those are things righty's do. I don't know why. I suppose you'll deny it. Again, I don't know why.

Keith Olbermann is as left as you get. He never accuses the right of hate. Bill O'Reilly, on the other hand, calls all sort of groups he doesn't like, haters of America.

Now, I know you'll look into things and come up with a few lefty's who use the "H" Word. But, that doesn't prove anything. I suppose you'll do this to disprove my premise. If you want to argue that and pretend that what's going on ISN'T going on, I'm used to that.

Come on. I know in your soul, you think the left hates America. George?? In? DC?? N0?? Tom?

excon

I never really listen to O'reilly but the only ones I would ever say hate America are the ones that say it out of their own mouth like Farakahn and Rev. Right.
Also if you really ever notice Farakahn, Rev Right, Jesse Jackson and others are keeping racism alive and well because it is their message and what keeps their popularity up.

The only hate-america types I see are the ones that constantly start threads here about everything that is wrong about america.

I don't know ex. You want to say W ruined the country. His presidency followed the most corrupt, divisive president in modern American history. He claimed to be a "compassionate" conservative; he wanted to heal the politics of personal destruction practiced by the Dems and the mainstream media. He has given the Dems and MSM everything they wanted for 7 1/2 years, never vetoing any of the Congressional foolishness that's been going on. What are you complaining about?

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He has given the Dems and MSM everything they wanted for 7 1/2 years, never vetoing any of the Congressional foolishness that's been going on. What are you complaining about?

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Precisely!

Hello George:

You kind of missed my point. S'ok. I knew you didn't want to answer my question...

Plus, you missed your history lesson too. For 4 of those 7 and half years, the REPUBLICANS were running the show and THAT'S when Bush DIDN'T veto a bill. Since the Dems are running things, he's vetoed plenty.

Like I say, you just want to spout - not discuss. S'ok. I figured as much.

excon

Well since I just used the word in regards to Richard Falk (and my response has since been removed besides the factual accuracy of what I posted ) .I have to stand by my contention that he not only hates America but also hates Israel.
Keith Olberman wears his hates on his sleeves . He doesn't have to say it . His rants are not nuanced enough to disguise them .

Hello tom:

Keith is right on. I agree with him absolutely! But you don't think I hate America, do you? Or, are you being disingenuous with me?

You can't have it both ways here.

excon

I don't believe you hate America ex just a little too loyal to the 'wrong' side of politics...
Oops I don't seem to see a 'right' side of politics!

Hello again, N0:

Thanks, saph. I love you too. But, it makes my point even more.

If the righty's here don't think I hate America, why do they hate others who think like I do?? Or, are they just being polite with me? Either way, it's disturbing.

excon

I don't think it is really about hate. I see the extreme left in some lala land of fantasy and not going about things realistically so I think it is more the rights frustrations over the left than hate for them.
Like the left saying they want to 'talk things out with the terrorists' Realistically that will never work. Realistically many things they want will not work but they often tend to tie the hands of the 'right' trying to make things work.
You and me and others, --we are just stuck in the middle and having to choose what we perceive as the lesser of two evils.

It is refreshing, somewhat, to see you outing yourself. You are no libertarian, for sure.

Hello again, George:

You don't know what a fascist is, so it's not surprising that you don't know what a libertarian is either.

Still no discussion?? I figured. You GOT NO discussion. All you got is name calling...

excon

Here is my exact words : Keith Olberman wears his hates on his sleeves.

I did not say he hates America .I think it is very clear that he retains his rants mostly at Bush and the right .

But I still stand by my remarks about Richard Falk. And I will reiterate what was removed . A person like him wop spreads such hate in the position he is in incites violence.

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Keith Olberman wears his hates on his sleeves. I did not say he hates America.

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Hello again, Tom:

A distinction without a difference.

He rants no less vociferously than I do, and on the very SAME issues. May I assume you think my sleeves are drenched in hate also? I'm just looking for some consistency here.

excon

Not at all, you have on many issues called out the Democrats and the left. Olberman never does.

But is there a distinction without a difference in your contempt of President Bush ? Let's use some other words that are evidently not so taboo or PC .Would you say your feelings are hostile to President Bush derived from anger at him ? Would you say you have an extreme dislike to President Bush ? Would you say you loath ;abhore or think he is an abomination ? Are you repulsed by him ;does he disgust you ?

As for Bill OReilley ;I can't answer for him . I rarely watch his show .As I 've mentioned before ;when I have I noticed that he allows different points of view to be debated while Olberman (who I watch much more often )never does . I suspect that some of the people he targets do hate America . Who in particular did he say this of ?

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Hello again, N0:

Thanks, saph. I love you too. But, it makes my point even more.

If the righty's here don't think I hate America, why do they hate others who think like I do??? Or, are they just being polite with me?? Either way, it's disturbing.

excon

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Ex, I can't speak for anyone else but you have my respect for actually engaging in a discussion, I think you're a reasonable guy. The 'others' aren't reasonable, they only see things their way. Period. End of discussion. They deserve no respect.

Ex,

I don't watch O'Reilly that much, but I have seen him call a number of people you would probably least expect him to, "patriots." He even calls Al Sharpton a "stand up guy" and has guests from both sides of a debate. I'd bet most of the people that "hate" O'Reilly never watch him.

Anyway, America haters are a special class. They are the ones that put up signs in their yard saying, "F*** Bush," "F*** the police," "F*** the US government," etc. They are the people who are more concerned with European opinion than their neighbor's opinion. They are the ones that blame all of the world's problems on the U.S. but as the folks at Cox and Forkum say, wouldn't carry a sign saying "DOWN WITH IRANIAN THEOCRACY" or "STOP THE PALESTINIAN SLAUGHTER OF JEWISH CHILDREN ON BUSES" or "DICTATORS LIE, MILLIONS DIE."

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/AmericanHaters.gif

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?hp
Bastion of liberalism puts this article out

NYT: Our Veterans are a Bunch of Murderers on a 'Downward Spiral'?

"To recap, veteran murder rates put them at 1.34 incidents per 100,000 vets and the general population sees that statistic at 7.67 per 100,000. Apparently, we are safer with our veterans around than we are with the rest of the citizenry of the country!


So, why the focus on vets that turn into murderers, NYTimes? "


Berkeley Tell Marine Recruiting To Leave Town: Calls Them Uninvited And Unwelcome Intruders - Say Anything


Theses are just some example of the left's attitude toward the country.


The biggest is their stance on abortion - how more dramatically demonstrate your attitude than to abort all those potential Americans?

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The biggest is their stance on abortion - how more dramatically demonstrate your attitude than to abort all those potential Americans?

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Liberals don't abort, women do, conservative AND liberal women. Why are you not blaming the constitution and gun manufacturers for gun deaths??