[tomder55]

As I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevant . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

[spitvenom]

Yes they most certainly did reject that. Which makes no sense at all. It's all the people in the central and western part of the state who are afraid once one law gets passed then another law and another law will then they will take their guns. That's why all the gun laws get shot done (no pun intended) I don't understand how a carry and conceal law would make the firearms related deaths go down but again that information is from 4 years ago.

I think it would be much harder to murder someone in Broad daylight with a hunting rifle I mean it's pretty hard to hide on of those bad boys. But hopefully things will change in Philly since they are putting in a stop and frisk law. I don't fully agree with it but gun violence is so bad they have no choice since lawmakers will do nothing about it.

[speechlesstx]

What's funny here is Obama boasts of the 'legislative accomplishment' of him having passed a whistle-blower protection law, and yet his campaign is reportedly 'livid' over Mayhill Fowler, the 'whistle-blower' making it into his $1000 a plate fund raiser - and then of course posting on Huffpo.

The Kossacks seem to be up in arms. The NY Times reports "there’s a bit of a brush fire in California about how Ms. Fowler got in." Democratic Undergrounders are upset, and even fellow Huffpos aren't happy with Fowler.

As Thomas Sowell put it:

People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public.

However inconsistent Obama’s words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western Left — whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground, or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the Left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the Left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

Karl Marx said, “The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.” In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.

[NeedKarma]

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the Left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the Left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

This quote pretty much sums what an idiot this Sowell guy is. But of course this is what YOU believe so have fun with that.

[speechlesstx]

This quote pretty much sums what what an idiot this Sowell guy is. But of course this is what YOU believe so have fun with that.

Well NK, I'm not part of the left's class of useful idiots so I CAN have fun with it. But leave it to you to call Thomas Sowell (a conservative African-American) an idiot. FYI, here is his curriculum vita:

ADDRESS: The Hoover Institution
Stanford University
Stanford, California 94305
(650) 723-3303

PERSONAL: U.S. Citizen, born June 30, 1930

EDUCATION:

Ph.D. in Economics, University of Chicago, 1968
A.M. in Economics, Columbia University, 1959
A.B. in Economics, magna laude, Harvard College, 1958

EXPERIENCE:

Senior Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, September 1980 - present
Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., July 1974 - June 1980
Visiting Professor of Economics, Amherst College, September- December 1977
Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, April- August 1977
Fellow, Center for Advanced Study in the Behavioral Sciences, July 1976 - March 1977
Project Director, The Urban Institute, August 1972 - July 1974
Associate Professor of Economics, U.C.L.A., September 1970 - June 1972
Associate Professor of Economics, Brandeis University, September 1969 - June 1970
Assistant Professor of Economics, Cornell University, September 1965 - June 1969
Economic Analyst, American Telephone & TelegraphCo., June 1964 - August 1965
Lecturer in Economics, Howard University, September 1963 - June 1964
Instructor in Economics, Douglass College, Rutgers University, September 1962 - June 1963
Labor Economist, U.S. Department of Labor, June 1961 - August 1962

PRINCIPAL PUBLICATIONS:

On Classical Economics (Yale University Press, 2006)
Black Rednecks and White Liberals (Encounter Books, 2005)
The Quest for Cosmic Justice (Free Press,1999)
Conquests and Cultures (Basic Books, 1998)
Migrations and Cultures (Basic Books, 1996)
The Vision of the Anointed (Basic Books, 1995)
Race and Culture: A World View ( Basic Books,1994 )
A Conflict of Visions (William Morrow, 1987)
Ethnic America (Basic Books, 1981)
Knowledge and Decisions (Basic Books, 1980)
Say's Law: An Historical Analysis (Princeton University Press, 1972)

I'm sure you're qualified to judge an 'idiot' like Sowell. :D

[BABRAM]

as I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevent . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

I'm not sure if you're addressing me or I got in the middle of your conversation with other contributors. I just wanted it clear that the use of firearms, as protection, in and of itself, is not wrong. But often it's made out to be the "end all" purpose, out of fear in proposed gun ownership arguments. When you live in NYC, Vegas, Philly, Chicago, LA, Houston, Dallas, etc.. in larger cities as we do, our surroundings activate our natural defense mechanisms. I see elements of hoodlums almost daily, so I'm not dismissing that fact. I work in the casino and as you know we have all the traffic from all sorts of walks of life, both good and bad. But outside the protection of the security that my workplace affords me, I know where I belong in Vegas and what neighborhoods are best avoided. My point is that unless you have a concealed weapon permit, you'll just have to load up that sawed-off shotgun with slugs or buckshot instead of duck waterfowl loads. Most of us believe in the second amendment, I do.

[NeedKarma]

Speech,
Based on his quote he's an idiot and a bigot. But since you agree with his stance you think he's a stand-up guy.

[speechlesstx]

speech,
Based on his quote he's an idiot and a bigot.

That's funny, Obama proves Sowell right and you call HIM the idiot and bigot. That's liberal logic for you.

[NeedKarma]

If you can show me where Obama has showed disdain or contempt for them (working class) as human beings then I'd be happy to agree with you. Other that you're just mudslinging as per usual.

[SkyGem]

Jim Geraghty at NRO made note of this particular Obama story:

Mr. "Goody two-shoes" trying to do a song and dance act in reply to serious questions America is now calling him on. Ah, how perfect to show the true picture of the man who wants to be the next Prez of the U.S.

[speechlesstx]

If you can show me where Obama has showed disdain or contempt for them (working class) as human beings then I'd be happy to agree with you. Other that you're just mudslinging as per usual.

NK, once again the pot calling the kettle black - having the gall to to call Sowell an idiot and bigot while complaining of mudslinging. Again, that's liberal logic for you.

[Skell]

as I wrote above I am not a gun owner and I find this line of questioning irrelevent . Either you believe in the 2nd amendment or you don't . I cited stats that show that individual gun ownership decreases violent crime. Do I need to have had such an incident to have an opinion ?

I can and have produced stats that counter that. Refer to my long debates with Elliot. Stats don't tell the whole story. But if you want I can produce stats on mass murder by firearm in the US compared to countries with strict gun control laws. You won't like what they say!

When talking guns stats can be used effectively by both side of the arguments. But the stat that hits home most is death by firearms and in the US its mind boggling.

[inthebox]

NK, once again the pot calling the kettle black - having the gall to to call Sowell an idiot and bigot while complaining of mudslinging. Again, that's liberal logic for you.

Liberal logic - isn't that an oxymoron? :)

[George_1950]

I can and have produced stats that counter that. Refer to my long debates with Elliot. Stats dont tell the whole story. But if you want i can produce stats on mass murder by firearm in the US compared to countries with strict gun control laws. Yoiu wont like what they say!

When talking guns stats can be used effectively by both side of the arguments. But the stat that hits home most is death by firearms and in the US its mind boggling.

Check this stat for me: How many planes have been hijacked since 9/11, after the feds allowed pilots to arm?

[Skell]

I prefer to look at stats relevant to the argument George.

[spitvenom]

George you are really reaching on that one. How about you go to Philly and tell a mother of a 14 year old boy who was shot because he wouldn't ride his bike fast enough out of the street. You can read it for yourself
Family, Friends Say Goodbye To Tykeem Law - Local News Story - WCAU | Philadelphia

[NeedKarma]

Dear God how I love my Canada after reading this site!

[spitvenom]

NK you have no idea how close I am to moving there!!

[BABRAM]

If McCain's elected I might have to join you in French class. :)

[NeedKarma]

Tous sont bienvenu! Unless you're going to Quebec or northern New Brunswick you won't need French (though it never hurts to expand your knowledge of languages).