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Sep 4, 2007, 08:39 PM
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 Originally Posted by Choux
Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.
Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)
Chou Christianity is not based on emotion. Christianity is based on relationship. It is the only "religion" that can be said to be based on relationship and so is unique.
Fact; Jesus Christ existed and still exists
Fact; God exists and has existed eternally
Fact; Jesus was killed for telling us he is God, this he willingly allowed
Fact; Christian through the ages have believed despite the attempts of athiests and non believers to claim these facts untrue
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Sep 4, 2007, 11:33 PM
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 Originally Posted by paraclete
Chou Christianity is not based on emotion. Christianity is based on relationship. It is the only "religion" that can be said to be based on relationship and so is unique.
Fact; Jesus Christ existed and still exists
Fact; God exists and has existed eternally
Fact; Jesus was killed for telling us he is God, this he willingly allowed
Fact; Christian thru the ages have believed dispite the the attempts of athiests and non believers to claim these facts untrue
They are faith, not fact.
I can accept your 3rd statement as fact, but the others I find hard to accept as fact. Do you have evidence?
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Apr 16, 2008, 05:05 AM
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 Originally Posted by aircloud
The way I understand opposite particles is opposite in state.
Like elctrons and positrons.
Or opposite in spin.
Steve
I understand them better now Bose Einstein means particles are in the same state and the same place at the same time.Fermi dirac statistics mean they are not.
1/3 Bose EInstein+ 1/3 Bose EInstein+ 1/3 Fermi Dirac= 1 Bose Einstein/Fermi dirac
That is the particle is both in the same state at the same time in the same place and not.
Like before the big bang between existence and non existence.
Steve
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Apr 16, 2008, 05:09 AM
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Light alone can be the exception to the law of contradiction for the big bang.
If light is in the same state at the same time in the same place what does that mean.
Let their be light.
Steve
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Apr 17, 2008, 08:51 AM
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 Originally Posted by aircloud
why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not
The law of non-contradiction states that two opposite statements can't both be true at the same time. Since it is true that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not contradict themselves, then it is true that Christianity is characterized by the wisdom and logic of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Irrationality. Thinking or acting without regard to the rationale. This characteristic is not Christian. Christianity is characterized by the wisdom and logic of the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Sincerely,
De Maria
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Apr 25, 2008, 03:37 PM
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You know, the Bible anticipated you who are skeptics and the Holy Spirit dictated these words to the Apostle Paul for your edification.
Rom 1:16-32
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)
Pay particular attention to verse 20. It applies to you.
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Apr 25, 2008, 11:16 PM
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 Originally Posted by Galveston1
You know, the Bible anticipated you who are skeptics and the Holy Spirit dictated these words to the Apostle Paul for your edification.
Rom 1:16-32
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)
Pay particular attention to verse 20. It applies to you.
But what about a blessing I have yet to see any blessing form my writing.
And it is obvious that it is no blessing.
Because it is plain that the fruit is bad.
And yet I continue to make a blog.
Because I hope in vain for something to happen.
And that is positive.
And everything seems to be negative.
And all things come to those who wait.
One day I will be happy I kept writing.
Because I could be afraid of all the possibilities .Like a poisoned pie.
And I do not believe that.
And the truth is I do believe God is the author of a poisoned pie.
Because everything I believe affects me.And believing God is the author of a pie that is poisned.
Really makes it hard for God to reach me.
And it isn't the case that it is hard for God to reach me.
And it really is tue that He is trying hard.
To get me to believe that pie is not poison.
Because if anyone can eat the pie and not be hurt then it is nor poison.
But of course I explian the way of 666.
And I explain how to believe otherwise.
And of course I make it very difficult to believe otherwise.
But that is because it is difficult to prove 666 wrong.
With mathematics.
Because it is easy to prove it wrong with logic.
And that is what I will do right now.
I will prove 66 wrong with logic.
It is logical to do the opposite of what Jesus sais.
If Jesus sais 12=12=24 is right then 21+21=42 must be right.And that is the logic of the blasphemers.They simply have to choose 42 as there answer rather than six fours.
If Jesus has said 42 was the answer they would choose 24.
And it is obvious that jesus did not say anything.And of course it is all in my mind.And I may have darkness instead of light.
That is the whole question have I blasphemed the Holy Spirit by talking about why Einstein is wrong.Everythign cannot be one the way God is one.
And if the equation attempts to make creation the same as he creator then it is a pot of poison.
Grad assistant contact the producers of Expelled and see if you can get a special screening for Stephen Hawking at his house.
They will say yes.
But will hawking I think so he will be interested to comment on it.
Steve A jeffrey
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Apr 29, 2008, 09:06 AM
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 Originally Posted by Choux
Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.
Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)
If you are an atheist then your beliefs are also based on faith, *emotion* and perhaps you find comfort in your belief that god does not exist so that you do not have to worry about torture in eternity. But saying God does not exist is not a factual statement because you have no way of proving it but you believe it anyway. So the bottom line is your beliefs require just as much faith as any religion would require, if not more. :)
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Apr 29, 2008, 01:55 PM
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I have proved the idea of ex-nihilo creation by science and not faith.
The equation does not balance for the energy of the universe.
To make it balance energy must be got from outside the universe.
i.e.. GOD.
It is simply rational not emotional just logic.
Steve
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Apr 29, 2008, 07:49 PM
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I don't doubt christianity requires faith but so does atheism.
But E=MCsquared does not agree with the law of non contradiction.
And that is what christians consider the test for truth.And I have shown that the big bang also fails that test.
Steve
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Apr 30, 2008, 05:24 AM
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 Originally Posted by aircloud
I don't doubt christianity requires faith but so does atheism.
But E=MCsquared does not agree with the law of non contradiction.
And that is what christians consider the test for truth.And I have shown that the big bang also fails that test.
Steve
You're going to have to start making sense one of these days, right now you sound like the timecube guy... :/
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