Why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity whereas irrationality does not

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Originally Posted by aircloud

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not

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What does Shaeffer have to say about the law of non contradiction

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The law of non-contradiction is indemonstrable (neither verifiable nor falsifiable) in that anyone who attempts to disprove it must use the law itself, and thus beg the question. In this way it can be said to be undeniable, that is, literally impossible to deny. The law is impossible to prove for the same reason, since one has to use the law to prove the law, and this is a circular argument.

I believe it is foolish to even try and prove something to those who refuse to believe. Christianity is based on faith, pure and simple. The facts that God created man, that Jesus died and came back from the dead. And that we are saved by beleving this. There is no way to prove this to anyone because it has to be a matter of faith.
Using mans logic and trying to prove it, will never convince those who have closed their hearts to the truth.

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Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

will never convince those who have closed thier hearts to the truth.

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I have a beautiful open heart Father, I believe that what you wrote is not the truth, therefore my truth is correct.

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why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity whereas irrationality does not

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Who thinks the law of noncontradiction proves Christianity? One can't "prove Christianity" as you put it, it must be experienced - you have to take that "leap of faith" to know. As for irrationality, that's subjective. What's rational or irrational to you may not be rational or irrational to me.

Steve

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

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Originally Posted by Choux

Christianity is a religion, a faith; religion is based on *emotion*, not of rationality or facts.

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In your opinion. I find it irrational to keep telling me and millions of others our faith is based on emotion. You have no idea as you cannot attest to my experience.

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Christianity is for comfort, not for logic class, if one can find comfort in any religion where the supreme GodAlmighty will torture human beings for **eternity**. :)

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Faith in God gives hope, which certainly is comforting, but I find it illogical to not believe in God considering all the evidence around us every day. Separation from God for eternity would most certainly be torturous, but that's your choice.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

I find it illogical to not believe in God considering all the evidence around us every day

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What evidence would that be?

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

. Separation from God for eternity would most certainly be torturous, but that's your choice.

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Tortuous in what way? I'm having a great life! Perhaps you would suffer but others would not.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

What evidence would that be?

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Been there, done that, your mind is made up.

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Tortuous in what way? I'm having a great life! Perhaps you would suffer but others would not.

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I'm having a great life, too. I also plan on having a great eternal life some day in the presence of God.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

Been there, done that, your mind is made up.

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That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

From Wiki:

The law of non-contradiction is indemonstrable (neither verifiable nor falsifiable) in that anyone who attempts to disprove it must use the law itself, and thus beg the question. In this way it can be said to be undeniable, that is, literally impossible to deny. The law is impossible to prove for the same reason, since one has to use the law to prove the law, and this is a circular argument.

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The Jesus equation John 11:9 12+12=24 & 2*6+2*6=4*6.
Proves the law of non contradiction.
This proves shrodengers cat wrong that the cat is both alive and dead.
1/3 ALIVE+ 1/3 DEAD+ 1/3 DEAD= 1 DEAD/ALIVE IS IRRATIONAL.
But 1 ODD+ 1 EVEN= 2 ODD 1 ALIVE+ 1 DEAD= 2 ALIVE.
And 2 ODD+ 2 EVEN= 4 EVEN 2 ALIVE+ 2 DEAD= 2 DEAD.
The cat is alive or dead depending on whether you choose the YING OR YANG EQUATION.
Steve

Seriously dude, are you going to make sense? "the Jesus equation proves the law of non contradiction"?

You're being a crackpot right about now :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

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Agree : it is all about faith.

As to "no evidence," I respectfully suggest reading Lee Strobel's "Case for ..." series.





Grace and Peace

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Originally Posted by inthebox

Agree : it is all about faith.
As to "no evidence," I respectfully suggest reading Lee Strobel's "Case for ..." series.
Grace and Peace

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Ok, and you watch the movie Zeigeist.

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

That goes both ways of course. Suffice it to say that there is no evidence as you would have others believe, it's all about faith.

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Actually I've been quite open to evidence against the existence of God, but until someone can explain to me how some anti-matter (or however you want to explain it today) became matter from which some plasma soup spontaneously developed and found the right environment for the 'possibility' of the basic elements of life to evolve into a living, breathing, thinking, feeling human being with a moral conscience, I'd say my 'maybe' is bigger than your 'maybe.' So why don't you skeptics just save us all some time and pick your argument for the day from this list and post it for us? :)

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Originally Posted by NeedKarma

Ok, and you watch the movie Zeigeist.

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I don't know about inthebox, but I am watching it when I have time. Perhaps you in turn should begin here, and Walk Like an Egyptian.

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Originally Posted by speechlesstx

So why don't you skeptics just save us all some time and pick your argument for the day from this list and post it for us? :)

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That website is quite inane, I'm not sure why you chose it as a resource. Here are some excerpts:

1. I went to a party and took LSD.
2. I saw demons attacking me.
3. Then Jesus came and drove the demons away.
4. All religious experiences are obviously drug-induced hallucinations.
5. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

1. Christianity is Borg.
2. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

1. Bunnies are cute.
2. Perceiving cuteness is an evolutionary advantage.
3. Therefore, cuteness must have evolved.
4. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

1. I deleted a copy of the TEN COMMANDMENTS from my computer.
2. If God existed, he wouldn’t have allowed this to happen.
3. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.

Why did you want people to visit that site again?

I think he wanted to make fun of skeptic arguments (poorly). Just click a few link in here (from the same site) if you want a laugh:

Index of /guest

I can highly recommend the first few paragraphs of truthfulness.htm for a good laugh!

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Originally Posted by aircloud

why do others think the law of non contradiction proves christianity wheras irrationality does not

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God's Word alone proves Christianity.

Tom