[inthebox]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/13/us...mpaign.html?hp


“And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not,” Mr. Obama went on. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to GUNS or RELIGION or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or ANTI-IMMIGRANT sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."


Opps - who put that in the script?

[N0help4u]

Like I said in January it's going to be fun watching the Democrats do Each other in!
All McCain has to do is sit back and watch the fur fly!

[George_1950]

He's such a liar, and not nearly as accomplished as Hillary.

[tomder55]

I am beginning to appreciate more and more the length of our process. Obama was an unknown but as the veneer is getiing peeled layer by layer the true person is emerging.

His views are frankly not unique . The elite liberals have always been perplexed by the people of flyover America. You could tell when he began his campaign in the Penn. Heartland that he was perplexed like a fish out of water. His attempts at bowling may be this campaigns equivalent of John Kerry eating at Wendys . At town hall meetings he has been flumoxed when supporters have asked him to say something patriotic. He doesn't understand that even in hard times that the people don't look to Washington as a solution . Obama who has defended his religion in a major address ,and has written about how important faith means to him ,does not understand why the white folks in Pennesylvania would also find comfort in their faith .

To the elite audience he was addressing his comments make perfect sense. Evidently Pennsylvanians began to appreciate their guns and religions only after the Industrial Belt became the Rust belt . Why wouldn't these blue collar workers also vote "blue" ? Why wouldn't they flock to the Democrats who have always looked after their best interests ;and delivered the goods? They are just another victim class that should be looking to the hope man for salvation.

The elites made books like "What's the Matter with Kansas"? A best seller with it's theme that liberals promise poor people free money so, therefore, poor people who don't vote for liberals are stupid. They are the enlightened class .So if that is their attitude then Obama was only parroting it to them since they were the audience of the day .

It is typical of Obama .He tells his audience what they want to hear. To workers free trade is dangerous to be avoided . To a different audience he says those who oppose free trade is xenophobic. To other audiences he claims to be pro-gun .To the San Fran crowd he belittles the people who cling to guns.

It is very telling that it was an Obama supporter who recorded and videotaped these comments after being given a special pass to this donor only meeting. After a few days to contemplate it she thought it would be perfectly safe to share this with another audience that has similar contempt for those stupid poor white folks who don't cling to the Democrat party for salvation... the Huffpos.
Mayhill Fowler: Obama: No Surprise That Hard-Pressed Pennsylvanians Turn Bitter - Off The Bus on The Huffington Post
The writer explains that the qualities of hospitality, patriotism and endurance are exactly what Californians need to hear about Pennsylvanians and instead they got a speech belittling the good folks of Pennsylvania.

It wasn't Carl Rove and a Republican hit machine. His own supporters have consistently thrown monkey wrenches into his deceptions . The true Obama has been revealed by his wife and her comments.The true Obama has been revealed by the comments of Rev Wright.The true Obama has been revealed by the actions of his biggest supporter Tony Rezko . The true Obama has been revealed by his close relationship with Weatherman Bill Ayers. And now The true Obama has been revealed by a supporter who found his disdain for rural white America completely acceptable.

As for Obama ;he made a number of attempts to clarify but he has not backed away from the premise. "If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," .... "The underlying truth of what I said remains."
It will not matter in the Democrat primary process. The hardcore Left that owns the Democratic Party will complete its takeover with the nomination of Obama. He shares their worldview . He's one of them. But he is counting on Reagan Democrats in the general election. They will neither forget Rev Wright's screeds nor Obama's .

[speechlesstx]

At least we finally have a Democratic candidate being honest :D

[speechlesstx]

I'm loving Obama's sudden candor. He seems to be digging a deeper hole with every attempt at explaining his remarks. This was his latest clarification last night:

“That was in no way a demeaning of a faith that I myself embrace. When economic hardship hits, they have faith, they have family, they have traditions that have been passed on from generation to generation. Those are not bad things. Those are the things that are left.”

So the things that are left during hard times are family, religion, guns, racism and bigotry - and apparently those last few 'traditions' are also "not bad things."

[inthebox]

Obama also forgot to mention that "bitter" people eat apple pie, buy Chevys, and watch baseball. :)


Is Obama "bitter" since he "clings" to Rev Wright? :confused:

[speechlesstx]

Obama also forgot to mention that "bitter" people eat apple pie, buy Chevys, and watch baseball. :)


Is Obama "bitter" since he "clings" to Rev Wright? :confused:

That's different. Neither Obama or the Rev. are a "typical white person." :D

[Skell]

His honesty (and correctness) in this instance will be his undoing! He certainly seems to have erred here no matter how true his words are.

[BABRAM]

“And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not,” Mr. Obama went on. “And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to GUNS or RELIGION or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or ANTI-IMMIGRANT sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

I agree with his "religious" comment, though perhaps not for the same reasons Obama intended. In Judaism we shouldn't practise out of rote. In another words, just going through the motions or mimicking others just because it's carried down generation to generation. Obama upholds the second amendment and is not against gun ownership contrary to what the Clinton campaign would have everyone to believe.

[tomder55]

What Obama does is a lawyers two step slide on gun ownership. He says gun ownership is not the exclusive prerogative of the "well regulated militia". But at the same time he says that local "common sense "should prevail. In other words ;the hayseeds in Pennsylvania's rust belt should be free to get their duck hunting weapons . It's part of "their culture".But the folks in DC who would buy a gun to defend themselves ;their families ;their homes from predators should not have that privilege.

"The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang-bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution."

This of course is a position that has evolved over time. In a 1996 questionnaire he supported the banning of the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns .

More recently the Illinois House and Senate passed legislation in May 2004 to protect citizens who use handguns in self-defense in their homes or businesses despite local handgun bans.In the Ill. Senate Obama was one of 20 Senators to vote against the bill. The Governor vetoed the law and again Obama voted against over-riding the veto. Thankfully the veto was rejected and the common sense defense of ones family and home is not a criminal offense.

But this says a lot about Obama's attitude about the 2nd Amendment . It is fine to own a gun to hunt ducks ;but he has a problem with people owning guns for the real reason the 2nd Amendment was adopted .

[spitvenom]

I live in Philadelphia and I could careless about the people in the Central and western part of the state and their guns. There is nothing out there so they aren't "protecting" their families they are hunting and that's fine.

Now Come to my block in Philadelphia and you will be begging for gun control. 95% of the people on this site wouldn't dare walk around my neighborhood day or night. I believe Philadelphia alone last year had a little over 400 murders from HANDGUN Violence. 20 of those murders took place in a 10 block radius of were I live. Hand guns are ruining the city of Philadelphia So I agree let the people have their hunting rifle's but hand guns have to go.

So all the people that are against Obama trying to get rid of hand guns, I have one question for you How Many people were shot dead on the street in the middle of the afternoon in your town?

Oh and in case you need a visual aid to see what that many murders looks like here you go:
Safer City Map - A Safer City News Story - WCAU | Philadelphia

[tomder55]

How many of the guns used in the shooting were legal and registered ?

[spitvenom]

Most of the guns on the streets were owned legally at one time. But the criminals in philly love to break in peoples house and search for guns among other things of course. So now they are in the wrong hands. Or a thing that the people in Philly love to do is get someone who doesn't have a record (like a girlfriend) to get them a gun Legally then they report the guns are stolen. And then used on the streets.

Tom I answered your question now answer mine How many people were shot on the street in the middle of the afternoon in your town?

[tomder55]

I am one of the few in my neighborhood that doesn't own a gun of some kind . Our streets are very safe . DC is a place with no legal guns . Yet it is one of the most violent cities in the nation . Va.Tech mass murder anniversary is this week . Va tech has a zero tolerance to guns policy.

“Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” Attributed to Thomas Jefferson

The truth is that violent crime rates began to drop dramatically in the US as others emulated Florida's conceal and carry laws adopted in 1987 .Today 40 states have such laws, and by 2004 the US Bureau of Justice reported that “firearms-related crime has plummeted”.

[tomder55]

But the criminals in philly love to break in peoples house and search for guns among other things of course. So now they are in the wrong hands.

Didn't the State just reject legislation that would make the reporting of lost and stolen guns mandatory ?

[speechlesstx]

What Obama does is a lawyers two step slide on gun ownership.

Jim Geraghty at NRO made note of this particular Obama story:

Obama; No Gun Shops Within Five Miles of Schools; Porn Shops Okay

I'm going to enjoy writing about a general election campaign against Barack Obama.

As Corner contributor Dave Kopel and David Bernstein note, Barack Obama proposed a few years ago a federal law against licensed firearms dealers operating within five miles of a school or park. As Kopel notes, "Every town I've ever visited which has more than a few dozen inhabitants has either a school or a park. Hypothesizing that the ban would apply to city parks (e.g., Central Park in New York City) but not to National Parks, pick a geographical region, and describe where a licensed firearms dealer could operate. Or pick a geographic point (e.g, Houston)and identify how far a peson would have to drive in order to get to the closest point where a gun store could legally be located. Extra credit for illustrative maps."

As the commenters noted, this would effectively ban gun shops from most of the country, and just about every city.

However, Obama appears to find another kind of establishment to be perfectly fine operating near your children's school:

Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship, which ultimately did not pass the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

The bill did not get the required three-fifths majority, so it did not in fact pass. (Mr. Obama voted “present” on the measure.)

Why on God's green earth does Barack Obama object to mandates on local authorities for porn shops but not for gun stores? Or conversely, why does he feel it's necessary to keep gun stores five miles from a school, but no limit on porn shops?

[BABRAM]

In other words ;the hayseeds in Pennsylvania's rust belt should be free to get their duck hunting weapons . It's part of "their culture".But the folks in DC who would buy a gun to defend themselves ;their families ;their homes from predators should not have that privilage.

It is fine to own a gun to hunt ducks ;but he has a problem with people owning guns for the real reason the 2nd Amendment was adopted .

How many gang bangers have you capped a bullet off in lately? I'm an advocate of individual rights to own pistols, rifles, or even hand grenades. For me it comes down to being a responsible person period. But I can't help but get a kick out of people using the gang drama as if they are Van Helsing bounty hunting monsters.

Firearms? Duck, deer, moose, bear, wolf, pheasant, dove, squirrel, rabbit, whatever animal, etc... that can be shot with a firearm can be used to maim or kill a human.

[tomder55]

No I did not say that we should do a Charles Bronson and hunt them down .I was clearly talking about self defense.

[BABRAM]

Charles Bronson using a sock full of quarters? And how many times have you had to use a gun in self defense of your life (your family), on your property, or just minding your own business on the streets?