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Fr_Chuck · Mar 17, 2008, 06:14 PM

Yes and this has hurt McCain, but everyone does not think this should hurt Obama for some reason. If he does not agree with the major princiiiples of the church, why did he keep going,
It is like someone going and belonging to the catholic church but then saying well I don't believe in what they teach even though I was a member for 20 years,

It just seems the church was nice to use when people where referring to issues of maybe being a Muslim ( not that I ever thought he was) but his connections with their teachings will hurt him in many areas.
I am surprised Hillary has not pounced all over this.

BABRAM · Mar 17, 2008, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Yes and this has hurt McCain, but everyone does not think this should hurt Obama for some reason. If he does not agree with the major princiiiples of the church, why did he keep going,
It is like someone going and belonging to the catholic church but then saying well I don't beleive in what they teach even though I was a member for 20 years,

It just seems the church was nice to use when people where refering to issues of maybe being a Muslim ( not that I ever thought he was) but his connections with thier teachings will hurt him in many areas.
I am surprised Hillary has not pounced all over this.

The whole "Muslim" thing was probably first instigated by racist mischief makers as proofed by a slew of Internet chained emails, not necessarily Republican or Democrat support based. Hillary, though did perpetuate the antics until Obama got tired of the nonsense and then she realized she'd better denounce the actions. He used national TV to call her on this, i.e. the Austin debate concerning the photo. Hillary's cheap jabs failed with the Ferraro incident also. Now the flavor of the month is rehashing Wright, Farrakhan, and playing six degrees of separation to Will Smith. McCain, thus far to his credit is running a fairly decent campaign. His supporters have acted desperate knowing McCain's basic strategy leans on the war issue. It's fairly easy for most voters in that if a person liked Dubya the second term, they are more likely to vote McCain.

magprob · Mar 18, 2008, 08:52 AM

Wright has a right to freedom of speech. Actually, I haven't heard him say anything that I completely disagree with. But, since he is dancing too close to the truth, mainstream media will demonize him. That's their job these days.
The chickens are coming home to roost.

Skell · Mar 18, 2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by magprob

Wright has a right to freedom of speech. Actually, I haven't heard him say anything that I completely disagree with. But, since he is dancing too close to the truth, mainstream media will demonize him. That's their job these days.
The chickens are comming home to roost.

Yup!

tomder55 · Mar 18, 2008, 03:55 PM

He is on a pedestal constructed by the "mainstream media"

BABRAM · Mar 18, 2008, 04:26 PM

Media? Wait a minute Fox news dedicated a whole segment to McCain visiting his second residency in Iraq. Maybe he's getting his mailing address confirmed with the Iraqi post office and having all his mail forwarded from the US... for the next one hundred years. :rolleyes:

magprob · Mar 18, 2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by tomder55

he is on a pedestal constructed by the "mainstream media"

Yes he is! Hellary is dancing a jig. Since I have lost all faith in the election process, all I see is a nut with boobs and a boob with nuts on the democrat side. Don't even want to talk about the NeoCon war monger.

BABRAM · Mar 18, 2008, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by magprob

Yes he is! Hellary is dancing a jig. Since I have lost all faith in the election process, all I see is a nut with boobs and a boob with nuts on the democrat side. Don't even want to talk about the NeoCon war monger.

The general election system is antiquated and the Democratic primary/caucus formulation has gone into the realm of ridiculous. I'll respect your expressed sentiment and I do appreciate your humor. L-rd knows we need it. From one my favorite artists...

ARTIST: John Lennon
TITLE: Nobody Told Me

Everybody's talking and no one says a word
Everybody's making love and no one really cares
There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs

There's always something happening and nothing going on
There's always something cooking and nothing in the pot
They're starving back in China, so finish what you got

Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Nobody told me there'd be days like these
Strange days indeed, strange days indeed

Everybody's runnin' and no one makes a move
Well everybody's a winner and nothing left to lose
There's a little yellow idol to the north of Katmandu

Everybody's flying and no one leaves the ground
Well everybody's crying and no one makes a sound
There's a place for us in movies, you just got to lay around

... most peculiar

Everybody's smoking and no one's getting high
Everybody's flying and never touch the sky
There's UFO's over in New York and I ain't too surprised

... most peculiar, whoa

magprob · Mar 18, 2008, 06:44 PM

Thank you Bobby. John has been my favorite human since I was 8. I appreciate your open mind and level head.

Skell · Mar 18, 2008, 07:29 PM

Imagine John and Willie on the same lineup? How would you control yourself Mag?

SkyGem · Mar 18, 2008, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dark_crow

Are Wright’s comments really inflammatory, or are they being used out of context, as Obama's Church has claimed?

Well now, let's just take a look at this article for your answer.
Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon

Skell · Mar 18, 2008, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by SkyGem

Well now, let's just take a look at this article for your answer.
Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon

That article and indeed the website it comes from has been addressed previously.

I believe Obama dealt with these issues in his speech yesterday.

talaniman · Mar 18, 2008, 09:24 PM

American politics, is the dirtiest business in the world, and no matter who it is, or what the topic is, the enemies of a candidate, will use anything they can to derail, that candidate. All excuses, as we can think for ourselves, and see through the crap being thrown (most can any way). You just have to figure Obama's enemies, have no choice, but to try and slow this guy down. He has them all scared, and rightfully so. Now we can see what he is made of.

BABRAM · Mar 18, 2008, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by SkyGem

Well now, let's just take a look at this article for your answer.
Newsmax.com - Obama Attended Hate America Sermon

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What half of the equator are you residing on? Like Skell said earlier, you're about five threads late to the party. Obama rose above the Republican fray after re-addressing these issues some 12 hours plus ago. Stay in touch, man.

BABRAM · Mar 18, 2008, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

American politics, is the dirtiest business in the world, and no matter who it is, or what the topic is, the enemies of a candidate, will use anything they can to derail, that candidate. All excuses, as we can think for ourselves, and see thru the crap being thrown (most can any way). You just have to figure Obama's enemies, have no choice, but to try and slow this guy down. He has them all scared, and rightfully so. Now we can see what he is made of.

Excellent point. If Obama weathers the nonsense storms it should just make him stronger. I hope he gets the nomination so that after that first national debate, the McCain choir will stop singing out of tune.

tomder55 · Mar 19, 2008, 04:42 AM

It is called vetting . We are trying to find out who Barak Obama is ;since his public record is so thin we have to look to other areas. The fact is that there is no way to know who he is from the combination of his current rhetoric and his current past associations . On the surface they appear incongruous .

I'm sorry if you don't think this is an approriate area of inquiry but we are deciding on who our leader should be for the next 4 years . He may be the next Lincoln for all I know ;but he could also be a great con man. All I know is that if a white man spend almost his entire adult life in an Ayrian white separatist organization and that fact was publicly known he should be instantly disqualified for the highest office in the land.

Jeremiah was a bullfrog,
He was a good friend of mine,
I never understood a single word he said,
But I helped him drink his wine.

talaniman · Mar 19, 2008, 05:03 AM

All I know is that if a white man spend almost his entire adult life in an Ayrian white separatist organization and that fact was publicly known he should be instantly disqualified for the highest office in the land.

That's a very good point and if you wish to judge someone by a few seconds of their life by a few sound bites, is that fair or accurate. Are we skipping over the fact the Rev. Wright served his country? And his community? Are we aware of what he may have seen, over his lifetime? Its more like nitpicking than fact finding. To the Senators credit he had the integrity, and loyalty, to tell it like it is as he stated, if those few seconds of tape where all that he knew of the man, he would have been gone. Kudos, for not caving to the media, or anyone else, and that's what we need in the highest office. Someone for all the people, not just the PC ones.

magprob · Mar 19, 2008, 05:06 AM

At Willie's and my age, we will be on the same line up before long.

tomder55 · Mar 19, 2008, 05:21 AM

Taliniman

The litany of Republicans who's careers (which were much longer than Obama's )were destroyed for slimmer pretext of perceived racism is available . I cannot a this time name all ,but a good example is Trent Lott ;who had the audacity of honoring long time Senator Strom Thurmon on the event of his 100th birthday. Due to that little dust up he was forced to give up his leadership in the Senate and eventually resigned.

Also let's not forget a single moment in the career of Sen George Allen who was almost assured the Republican nomination until he made the single mistake of calling a stalker macacca.

Obama has not answered adequately for me how a 20 year implicit endorsement of black liberation theology has framed the person he is . Black liberation theology is not the theology of social Christianity that leaders like MLK Jr espoused . It is clearly separatist and it just is not congruent to the philosophy that a "uniter " would subscribe to .

talaniman · Mar 19, 2008, 05:34 AM

The litany of Republicans who's careers (which were much longer than Obama's )were destroyed for slimmer pretext of perceived racism is available . I cannot a this time name all ,but a good example is Trent Lott ;who had the audacity of honoring long time Senator Strom Thurmon on the event of his 100th birthday. Due to that little dust up he was forced to give up his leadership in the Senate and eventually resigned.

Ol' Trent was a big wheeler dealer, and had allegations of fundraising problems here in Texas.

Also let's not forget a single moment in the career of Sen George Allen who was almost assured the Republican nomination until he made the single mistake of calling a stalker macacca.

And the senator has said what, about who? Allen sank his own ship.