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Allheart · Feb 12, 2008, 06:36 AM

Wow Tom,

That's a lot of work you did and I thank you. I will take the time to read and hopefully absorb what is there.

I'd really like to get a grip and clear vision of many things. This being one. So I will consider your great efforts another resource to consider.

When the news is on - hubby translates for me... bless his soul he means well, but I can't get my head around some of it so I end up not knowing what to think.

Thank you!

excon · Feb 12, 2008, 06:42 AM

Hello again, All:

Yeah, that tom is a great researcher. She sure ain't great...

But, I'll make your decision an easy one for you. If you like the war in Iraq, McCain is your man. If you don't, Hillary is your chick.

excon

Allheart · Feb 12, 2008, 06:47 AM

Ex - I still have to read all of Tom's research.

But that's how I was leaning towards Hillary or Obama. So I was focusing on Hillary to start and watched her speak, I like how she handled herself, the things I understood her to say, I liked, so I was starting to feel good.

But then there seems to be this underground static associated with her. But then there is any canadate I guess.

Anyway, I have homework to do :).

One thing I do know, is I do not want this war anymore. I want them home.

Hillary said in a structred manner - she was going to start bringing them home and McCain said, well you all know what he said.

Thanks Ex

NeedKarma · Feb 12, 2008, 06:52 AM

I like Obama, because he's not like all the others and a change is definetely needed. Too bad about Ron Paul.

tomder55 · Feb 12, 2008, 06:54 AM

Are you so sure about what she will do?. or for that matter what Obama will do ? Oh they say they will withdraw all right but when they were pinned down during the debates none of the Democrats would commit to withdrawal even as late as the end of their 1st 4 year term. Both Hillary and Obama also have pledged long term US presence in the region... perhaps not in Iraq.. they prefer to use vague terms like strategic withdrawal to places in the periphery .

Allheart · Feb 12, 2008, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

I like Obama, because he's not like all the others and a change is definetely needed. Too bad about Ron Paul.

I like him too and the expereince thing, I think is actually a no thing. He can just surround himself with outstanding individuals, like they all try and do.

Hillary caught my interest on a couple of issues and I wanted to examine them both.

Actually, I took the poll on the web, even though it was dated it came out

1) Obamba
2) HIllary
3) McCain

I used to LOVE McCain and it's not like I dislike him, but some things just need to end.

NeedKarma · Feb 12, 2008, 07:01 AM

McCain's whole "100 year war in Iraq" statement is a big turnoff.

Allheart · Feb 12, 2008, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Are you so sure about what she will do ? ....or for that matter what Obama will do ? Oh they say they will withdraw alright but when they were pinned down during the debates none of the Democrats would commit to withdrawal even as late as the end of their 1st 4 year term. Both Hillary and Obama also have pledged long term US presence in the region ...perhaps not in Iraq ..they prefer to use vague terms like strategic withdrawal to places in the periphery .

See this is what sends me in a swirl.

Why can't they just say what the are actually going to do... If the win, then the American people are fully behind them... If they don't... then there policies are NOT what the American people want, so concede the loss and count their millions and go do good somewhere else.

Why do they have to make is so darn difficult. I know it's naïve to want an open and upfront canadate by darn, they get you to vote for them and then just run and do what they want anyway? How is that a democracy.

How gosh darn hard would it be to stand up and say what they truly wish to do.

Is it more complicated than that? Am I oversimplifing?

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

McCain's whole "100 year war in Iraq" statement is a big turnoff.

Yeah, it means he won't cut and run, he'll do whatever it takes. That is a really big turnoff.

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

She knew that New York's Orthodox and Hasidic communities would be a hard sell, as they were expressing their personal dislike for her and her positions, particularly regarding Israel. During her Senate race she campaigned in the conservative Hasidic community of New Square where she met with community leader Rabbi Twersky .All the polls showed Lazio having a comfortable lead in the community before her meeting .But election results showed that Hillary won by over 99% of the vote 1359 to 10 .What Happened ?

Excellent, tom. Speaking of the Jewish community and Hillary, this is how Jonah Goldberg described her sudden onset of emotions:

Hillary, meanwhile, is staying aloft largely through her ability to guilt-trip female liberals into sticking with her. Her cultivated weepiness and dour lamentations about how she’s been so picked on sometimes make it seem like she’s setting up a political version of one of those “how-does-a-Jewish-mother-change-a-lightbulb?” jokes. Answer: “It’s all right; I’ll just sit in the dark.”

Recall how her crying jag in New Hampshire, which apparently turned things around for her, was all about how important it is to her to be president. Message: vote for Obama; I’ll just sit here in the dark. Indeed, I’ve lost count of how many stories I’ve heard on public radio about Democratic women deciding to vote for Hillary out of guilt.

LOL, exactly right. He's also right on the differences between the Democratic and Republican races. For Republicans "at least it’s an argument about something." For the Dems, "a campaign about nothing."

NeedKarma · Feb 12, 2008, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by speechlesstx

For Republicans "at least it’s an argument about something." For the Dems, "a campaign about nothing."

You guys are the biggest mud slingers on this board that for sure. :D

Allheart · Feb 12, 2008, 08:14 AM

Before I wish you all a good day - I do once again want to thank you for your patience on this thread and the 9/11 thread. Also for your time and sharing all that knowledge you possess, which you have worked very hard for, but I also feel you all are very gifted.

You may sit on opposite sides of some of the issues, or maybe all the issues but you have something in common and that is incredible brillance. You all are very talented and how good of you to share it. Whether you know it or not you encourage each other to push further and want better.

What a great country that we live in, as well as those similar to ours, where debates like this can freely exsist.

I thank you again. I will take my Hilliary information home and read up and see what the young lady has been up to :).

Enjoy the day and keep bringing out the best in each other.

Thanks guys.

Sorry I am so sappy - but a little sugar never hurt anyone.

Behave :)

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You guys are the biggest mud slingers on this board that for sure. :D

I didn't write it, I just reported it. You're more than welcome to rebut him :D

Dark_crow · Feb 12, 2008, 11:45 AM

Get ready for it… Barack Obama will be the next President of the United States. Barring some unforeseen mistake on his part; anybody running against him looks weak and boring. Poor Hillary and she thought this was her year.

How do I know this, I don't, but I do believe it. The strange thing is I initially didn't expect to see him get past Super Tuesday. He will get Ohio and possible Texas in spite of the Hispanic vote.

tomder55 · Feb 12, 2008, 11:51 AM

Yeah I saw his campaign HQ in Texas today in the news. It has a banner of Che Guevara prominently displayed .

tomder55 · Feb 12, 2008, 11:55 AM

Dark_crow · Feb 12, 2008, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Yeah I saw his campaign HQ in Texas today in the news. It has a banner of Che Guevara prominently displayed .

He doesn’t miss a lot... Che Guevara, great choice:p he is way ahead in the fundraising race and that speaks loud in itself.

tomder55 · Feb 12, 2008, 12:05 PM

His new campaign slogan "Che you can believe in "

Guess he is not counting on picking up that Florida delegation. But he is trying to make inroads with the Hispanic community ? Not sure putting up a flag with a cult like Marxist psychotic is such a good idea... diverts attention from his rock star status.

Dark_crow · Feb 12, 2008, 12:08 PM

Yeah, though communism may have lost its fire, he remains the potent symbol of rebellion and the alluring zeal of revolution.

speechlesstx · Feb 12, 2008, 01:22 PM

Little Green Footballs has the images:

They also have his response:

“The office featured in this video is funded by volunteers of the Barack Obama Campaign and is not an official headquarters for his campaign.”

Reportedly however, “Paid staffers for the Obama campaign are expected to man the offices by the end of the week.”

Also, lyrics for the National Anthem at Obama rallies will be changed to "Oh, Che can you see..." :D

Steve
P.S. In case any of you young Obama supporters don't know about Che, Mike Adams offers a little insight.