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    Jan 25, 2008, 11:34 AM
    Paris Etching Society
    I have an etching by Pierre titled "The Stone Bridge". It appears to be in the original framing and bears a label on the back stating " Genuine Etching by Pierre entitled " Genuine Etching by Pierre entitled ". Paris Etching Society, distributed by Phillips Toronto Limited. No 312.
    There is also a circle with the letters SZL inside.
    I would appreciate anything you could tell me about this.
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    Jan 26, 2008, 12:04 AM
    The following is a post by Curlyben, who is one of our fine Administrators on this site. It is from the following link https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/art/pa...ad-155531.html

    Questions about the works of art from the Paris Etching Society come up fairly frequently on this site. If I do find any other information about your particular etching, I will post it here. Thank you for asking!

    Paris Etching Society SZL - Please Read
    One of the best resources that I have found concerning Paris Etching Society is from Google answers, located HERE.
    The response from scriptor-ga is very insightful.


    Originally Posted by Scriptor-ga
    Dear wayno,

    Here is what I was able to find out concerning your print:

    1. The SZ and L in the circle are the trademark of Sidney Z. Lucas,
    who owned a printshop in New York in the years 1940 to 1960. He
    produced a large number of prints after old etchings. Generally,
    prints by Mr. Lucas seem not to reach very high prices, as several
    examples indicate:

    At Ruby Lane, two Lucas prints are for sale for $ 20.00:
    http://www.rubylane.com/en/shop/item...s&itemid=01139

    The Gallery Kathryn offers a set of two Lucas prints after works by
    Jean-Louis Prevost for $ 50.00:
    Missing Link
    They also have two Ballerina prints after André Chevalier for $ 24.95
    each:
    Granny's Cupboard & Collectibles

    These Old Things has several Sidney Z. Lucas prints in stock, for $
    45.00 and $ 30.00 respectively:
    Art & Photos

    It might well be that certain Lucas prints are more rare and therefore
    more valuable than others; but the general image is that they are
    commonly not expensive.

    2. The company name in the upper right corner is actually 'Paris
    Etching Society'. As it seems, this New York enterprise was very
    active in distributing prints and etchings mainly after works of
    French and Flemish (Belgian and Dutch) artists. Many Paris Etching
    Society prints are circulating, but nevertheless, hardly anything is
    known about them. It is possible that this was an association of
    professional etchers, of the kind mentioned here:

    The Prairie Printmakers, by Stephen Goddard
    http://www.ukans.edu/~sma/ppm/ppmintro.htm

    The identitiy of the 'Paris Etching Society' remains a mystery; even
    art collectors have no answers, as the New York Art World Message
    Board dealing especially with this topic reveals:

    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/index.sht

    The only thing for sure is that the Society was active at least from
    the early 1930s to the mid-1960s and that prints bearing their
    copyright are neither rare nor extremely valuable. Sidney Z. Lucas has
    obviously been a member of the Society. This is, I'm afraid, all
    information available on the 'Paris Etching Society'.

    3. The correct name of the picture is "Sur la Dyle" ('On the Dyle
    River', a river in Belgium), and the artist's name was Lucien
    Dasselborne from the Province of Hainaut / Belgium, living from 1873
    to 1952. His specialy were rural and village scenes. In accordance
    with the testamentary wish of Lucien Dasselborne, a triennial contest
    is organized by the care of the provincial Commission of the
    Foundations of Grants of Hainaut, with the support of the Province of
    Hainaut and the collaboration of the City of Turned. Alas, there is no
    list of his works available, so the exact date when he drew 'Sur la
    Dyle' remains unknown.

    This is, I'm afraid, all I could find out. It is not very much, but I
    hope it provides you. some useful information concerning the
    approximate value of your print, its origin and the artist

    Main sources:

    Fred Robson, "Re: Paris Etching society Prints". Online posting in the
    New York Art World message board for the Paris Etching Society, May
    20, 2002.
    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/messages/232.html

    New York Art World Message Board
    WWWBoard Version 2.0!

    New York Art World Message Board for The Paris Etching Society
    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/index.sht

    La guide de la province Hainaut, service des relation publiques, 2002:
    http://www.hainaut.be/leguide/loisir...s+institutions

    Search terms used:
    "La Dyle" etching: ://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22La+Dyle%22+etching&meta=
    "lucien dasselborne" (via alltheweb.com):
    AlltheWeb.com: Web results for ""lucien dasselborne""
    "Paris Etching Society":
    ://www.google.com/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22paris+etching+society%22&lr=
    "Sidney Z Lucas": ://www.google.de/search?q=%22sidney+z+lucas%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&meta=

    Hope this was what you were looking for!
    Regards,
    Scriptor
    Basically PES was set up by Sidney Z. Lucas, hence the SZL mark. He owned a printshop in New York in the years 1940 to 1960 where He produced a large number of prints after old etchings.

    Generally, prints by Mr. Lucas seem not to reach very high prices. At the end of the day they look nice, but that's about it. Most of what is talked about them is from people "boiler rooming" the price on the supposed French history.

    I hope this helps.

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