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    Asked Nov 24, 2007, 03:43 PM 9 Answers
    One of the best resources that I have found concerning Paris Etching Society is from Google answers, located HERE.
    The response from scriptor-ga is very insightful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scriptor-ga
    Dear wayno,

    Here is what I was able to find out concerning your print:

    1. The SZ and L in the circle are the trademark of Sidney Z. Lucas,
    who owned a printshop in New York in the years 1940 to 1960. He
    produced a large number of prints after old etchings. Generally,
    prints by Mr. Lucas seem not to reach very high prices, as several
    examples indicate:

    At Ruby Lane, two Lucas prints are for sale for $ 20.00:
    http://www.rubylane.com/en/shop/item...s&itemid=01139

    The Gallery Kathryn offers a set of two Lucas prints after works by
    Jean-Louis Prevost for $ 50.00:
    Missing Link
    They also have two Ballerina prints after André Chevalier for $ 24.95
    each:
    Granny's Cupboard & Collectibles

    These Old Things has several Sidney Z. Lucas prints in stock, for $
    45.00 and $ 30.00 respectively:
    Art & Photos

    It might well be that certain Lucas prints are more rare and therefore
    more valuable than others; but the general image is that they are
    commonly not expensive.

    2. The company name in the upper right corner is actually 'Paris
    Etching Society'. As it seems, this New York enterprise was very
    active in distributing prints and etchings mainly after works of
    French and Flemish (Belgian and Dutch) artists. Many Paris Etching
    Society prints are circulating, but nevertheless, hardly anything is
    known about them. It is possible that this was an association of
    professional etchers, of the kind mentioned here:

    The Prairie Printmakers, by Stephen Goddard
    http://www.ukans.edu/~sma/ppm/ppmintro.htm

    The identitiy of the 'Paris Etching Society' remains a mystery; even
    art collectors have no answers, as the New York Art World Message
    Board dealing especially with this topic reveals:

    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/index.sht

    The only thing for sure is that the Society was active at least from
    the early 1930s to the mid-1960s and that prints bearing their
    copyright are neither rare nor extremely valuable. Sidney Z. Lucas has
    obviously been a member of the Society. This is, I'm afraid, all
    information available on the 'Paris Etching Society'.

    3. The correct name of the picture is "Sur la Dyle" ('On the Dyle
    River', a river in Belgium), and the artist's name was Lucien
    Dasselborne from the Province of Hainaut / Belgium, living from 1873
    to 1952. His specialy were rural and village scenes. In accordance
    with the testamentary wish of Lucien Dasselborne, a triennial contest
    is organized by the care of the provincial Commission of the
    Foundations of Grants of Hainaut, with the support of the Province of
    Hainaut and the collaboration of the City of Turned. Alas, there is no
    list of his works available, so the exact date when he drew 'Sur la
    Dyle' remains unknown.

    This is, I'm afraid, all I could find out. It is not very much, but I
    hope it provides you. some useful information concerning the
    approximate value of your print, its origin and the artist

    Main sources:

    Fred Robson, "Re: Paris Etching society Prints". Online posting in the
    New York Art World message board for the Paris Etching Society, May
    20, 2002.
    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/messages/232.html

    New York Art World Message Board
    WWWBoard Version 2.0!

    New York Art World Message Board for The Paris Etching Society
    http://newyorkartworld.com/bbs2/index.sht

    La guide de la province Hainaut, service des relation publiques, 2002:
    http://www.hainaut.be/leguide/loisir...s+institutions

    Search terms used:
    "La Dyle" etching: ://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22La+Dyle%22+etching&meta=
    "lucien dasselborne" (via alltheweb.com):
    AlltheWeb.com: Web results for ""lucien dasselborne""
    "Paris Etching Society":
    ://www.google.com/search?hl=de&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=%22paris+etching+society%22&lr=
    "Sidney Z Lucas": ://www.google.de/search?q=%22sidney+z+lucas%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=de&meta=

    Hope this was what you were looking for!
    Regards,
    Scriptor
    Basically PES was set up by Sidney Z. Lucas, hence the SZL mark. He owned a printshop in New York in the years 1940 to 1960 where He
    Produced a large number of prints after old etchings.
    Generally, prints by Mr. Lucas seem not to reach very high prices.
    At the end of the day they look nice, but that's about it.
    Most of what is talked about them is from people "boiler rooming" the price on the supposed French history.

    I hope this helps.

    Last edited by Curlyben; Jan 5, 2008 at 01:35 PM.
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    Nov 24, 2007, 09:21 PM
    Thank you for posting the above, Ben! :)
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    Apr 5, 2009, 09:56 AM
    Hi

    Just a little bit more information about the prints labeled Paris Etching Society, as I have one, also, signed Louis Raymond and titled Nature d'Autumn.

    My great aunt had many framed prints which were purchased from a Denver Department store, Daniel's and Fisher's, where she and her husband both worked circa 1920's through 1940's. The store was relatively high end for its day and sold everything from lingerie to home furnishings. That would explain why the prints look very nice, but don't have much value. They may have been mass produced from relatively unknown artists as knock offs of popular European styles to be sold through that era's mass marketers. Ooh La La!

    I don't have any proof (like a receipt) of where the picture came from, just memories of the style of furnishings and art that were in her home when I was growing up. Daniel's and Fishers was eventually sold to May in 1956 and became May D&F, then ultimately sold again to the parent company of Macy's.
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    Apr 21, 2009, 04:06 PM
    Thank you for the information. Unfortunately the mystery is still not solved. The etching I have is marked made in France and is not made in New Your. It also differs because it does not have a label on the back that is common with those made in New York. You can actually see where the watercolor had tape around the edges while painting to give the picture straight edges. A trick painters use to create straight edges. When the tape was removed some of the paint smeared outside the straight edge.
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    Jul 18, 2009, 01:53 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Curlyben View Post
    One of the best resources that I have found concerning Paris Etching Society is from Google answers, located HERE.
    The response from scriptor-ga is very insightful.



    Basically PES was set up by Sidney Z. Lucas, hence the SZL mark. He owned a printshop in New York in the years 1940 to 1960 where He
    produced a large number of prints after old etchings.
    Generally, prints by Mr. Lucas seem not to reach very high prices.
    At the end of the day they look nice, but that's about it.
    Most of what is talked about them is from people "boiler rooming" the price on the supposed French history.

    I hope this helps.

    Very good info, curly.

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    Jul 18, 2009, 01:57 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Jae Overland View Post
    Thank you for the information. Unfortunately the mystery is still not solved. The etching I have is marked made in France and is not made in New Your. It also differs because it does not have a label on the back that is common with those made in New York. You can actually see where the watercolor had tape around the edges while painting to give the picture straight edges. A trick painters use to create straight edges. When the tape was removed some of the paint smeared outside the straight edge.
    Yes, I know that trick, I use masking tape and the colour sometimes smears under the tape. Another 'trick' is rubber cement and doesn't leave lines or smears.

    He was probably too hasty and didn't wait for the watercolor to dry properly.

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    Sep 18, 2009, 01:22 PM
    I also have an "original etching" Mill on the Sambre River signed by Charlot and on the back in French it says Molin sur la Sambre
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    Oct 30, 2010, 06:57 PM
    This isn't a answer but more of a question,I purchased 2 of the prints marked paris etching society by martin and was just wondering if having prints #1 & #2 would make them more valuable considering they are not worth a lot to begin with.I noticed a pair of them on rubylane for $150.00 and believe they were numbered 2 & 8.
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    Sep 14, 2011, 01:55 PM
    I have two Genuine Etching by Pierre, Entitled "The Limousin, France" No. 210 and Entitled "The Manor" No. 211. Label on the back of each picture reads Paris Etching Society, Distributed by: Phillips Toronto, Limited. Label also reads Printed in U.S.A. with the SLZ (I believe it is)logo.

    On the front at top of etching it reads Paris Etching Society NY USA and in pencil it appears, Pierre has written his name and the picture entitled The Manor he has written Manoir. And the second picture I can't decipher his handwritting other than Tumi(black mark like pen coming from under print so cannot read the letter)usin.

    Can you give me any history on the above artist and etchings?

    Thank you.
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    Nov 12, 2011, 05:58 PM
    I have the same thing don't know if it is the exact picture, but it is signed with the name Pierre on the bottom rightcorner and Limousin on the Left corner with the triangle logo SLL. Top right corner is copyright date 1937 Camilla Lucas, NY,USA. It has the cottage and bridge with water flowing under it. I am trying to find out its value. It has a label on the back on the picture from where it originated from.
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