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talaniman · Jun 5, 2007, 07:46 AM

Everyone on Earth has their own perspective, and if its like that on Earth, imagine the confusion as planets, get to the point they discover each other and begin to interact. Do you think we will see Martians all alike, or they see us as all alike?? If they miss the nuances that make us individuls, its possible we may do the same to them, ie; lumping all christians into the same mold? Or all muslims? What a slippery slope when you don't have all the facts or a complete picture.

Retrotia · Jun 5, 2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by rr man

Has God created beings on other planets besides Earth? And if so, are there also sinners in those worlds?

To the 1st question (which I have seen before on here) Who knows? God only revealed to us what happened(happens) on this earth. However I believe the Bible about spirits(angels-good & bad) in the heavenlies. And God being the cause & effect of the outcome (or influence ) they have on us-especially through our own prayers.
Otherwise, I think there may only be primitive lifeforms on other galaxies or worlds. There are too many light years to reach us on earth- so only if they have some supersonic spacecraft do I think we will see them in our lifetime on earth.
The 2nd question's answer depends on the 1st. We know that God sent His Son to this earth as a man to die for all mankind's sins. So if there were to be other worlds in the universe with human habitation there, then their world would be like ours- with 2 kinds of sinners. Redeemed or not redeemed.

Capuchin · Jun 5, 2007, 11:35 AM

Supersonic is a bit slow don't you think? Even we can do supersonic (not that supersonic has any meaning in space) :)

ActionJackson · Jun 5, 2007, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Everyone on Earth has their own perspective, and if its like that on Earth, imagine the confusion as planets, get to the point they discover each other and begin to interact. Do you think we will see Martians all alike, or they see us as all alike????If they miss the nuances that make us individuls, its possible we may do the same to them, ie; lumping all christians into the same mold? Or all muslims? What a slippery slope when you don't have all the facts or a complete picture.

You got to have a point... please say you do because this post makes no sense whatsoever.

talaniman · Jun 5, 2007, 06:33 PM

You got to have a point... please say you do because this post makes no sense whatsoever.

Open your mind to possibility. There is more truth than ancient mans perspective.

Capuchin · Jun 6, 2007, 12:19 AM

Jackson, surely sometime in your life, you haven't felt very happy, maybe even slightly depressed. Do you think it's true to say that while you're in that kind of mood, the colors of the world are dulled, everything seems closed in and everyone is looking at you.

And sometimes in your life, you just feel so happy, everytrhing is vibrant and colorful and you don't have a care in the world, and every leaf on that pinetree was made somehow from a tiny seed. The world is beautiful.

I certainly feel a difference in my reality when I have different moods. I can't imagine how different each species on this planet sees it.

ActionJackson · Jun 6, 2007, 04:13 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Open your mind to possibility. There is more truth than ancient mans perspective.

Apparently, there's a whole lot more truth than modern man's perspective as well.

ActionJackson · Jun 6, 2007, 04:21 AM

Originally Posted by Capuchin

Jackson, surely sometime in your life, you haven't felt very happy, maybe even slightly depressed. Do you think it's true to say that while you're in that kind of mood, the colors of the world are dulled, everything seems closed in and everyone is looking at you. And sometimes in your life, you just feel so happy, everytrhing is vibrant and colorful and you dont have a care in the world, and every leaf on that pinetree was made somehow from a tiny seed. The world is beautiful. I certainly feel a difference in my reality when I have different moods. I can't imagine how different each species on this planet sees it.

The issue isn't "feelings." The issue is truth vs. fiction. Regardless of how you "feel" the truth doesn't change. I have three blue spruce trees outside my window. Very similar to pines only their needles are shorter and there is a bluish tint to the tree. When I'm feeling sad and bluish, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces. When I'm feeling happy and perky, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces. When I'm feeling angry and ferocious, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces; when I'm hungry and my stomach is growling, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces; when I'm feeling romantic and sexy, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces; when I'm feeling like Humpdy Dumpdy, my three little blue spruces are three little blue spruces.

You say you "can't imagine how different each species on this planet see it." With your imagination I'm sure you will come up with something.

Capuchin · Jun 6, 2007, 04:33 AM

My point is that our feelings are the only truth we know. I don't know how you can think that feelings don't come into it.

How do you know you are reading what I'm typing now? Your eyes sense some difference in the signal they are getting from that part of the retina from the signal they are getting from other parts of the retina, your brain interprets these differences accordingly, letting you see text on the screen. Your brain is affected by your feelings, your reality is what your eyes sense, modified by how your brain thinks it should be modified. Feelings do shape the world.

Would it be fair to say that when you're happy you love looking at your three blue spruce trees, but when you're depressed you couldn't give a about your little spruce trees. In each of these moods the spruce trees are completely different to you. The only things that we know about this world are things that our brains have processed. You're trying to separate the reality of the world from the interpretation of the mind, and you just can't do that.

talaniman · Jun 6, 2007, 05:28 AM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

Apparently, there's a whole lot more truth than modern man's perspective as well.

Finally we agree, and we will learn more as our knowledge expands through investigation, exploration, and discovery.

ActionJackson · Jun 6, 2007, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Finally we agree, and we will learn more as our knowledge expands thru investigation, exploration, and discovery.

Not if you have closed your mind to the possibility that Christianity is valid and true. Come on... open your mind to the possibilities, investigate, explore, and discover. Oh, I'm sorry, that only applies to non-Christian exploration, right?

DrJ · Jun 6, 2007, 05:41 PM

Hmmmm... this seems to be common is a couple open threads right now lol

I hear what you are saying AJ... and I assure you that I am VERY open-minded to the possibility that Jesus was the Son of God. I was raised Christian and have explored this throughout my life.

AJ, Are YOU open-minded about the possibility that Christianity may not be valid and true??

talaniman · Jun 6, 2007, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

Not if you have closed your mind to the possibility that Christianity is valid and true. Come on...open your mind to the possibilities, investigate, explore, and discover. Oh, I'm sorry, that only applies to non-Christian exploration, right?

Wrong! I have a great deal of respect for the wisdom, and way of life, and the teachings of Christ, and those who follow those teachings. Just because I am not a christian, doesn't mean I can't take the life lessons learned through exploration and my own personal investigation of christianity and other religions and apply them to my life. Because I choose my own path, doesn't mean I'm against yours, nor because we may disagree means there is malice or ill will. So relax and enjoy the debate.

ActionJackson · Jun 6, 2007, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Wrong!! As a matter of fact I have a great deal of respect for the wisdom, and way of life, and the teachings of Christ, and those who follow those teachings. Just because I am not a christian, doesn't mean I can't take the life lessons learned thru exploration and my own personal investigation of christianity and other religions and apply them to my life. Because I choose my own path, doesn't mean I'm against yours, nor because we may disagree means there is malice or ill will. So relax and enjoy the debate.

Trust me... I enjoy the debate. Most of those who disagree with me are probably pretty decent people. If we met in day to day life, we would probably greet each other with a hello... or maybe we wouldn't. I always try to be friendly with people I meet and they are usually friendly back. As I recall, Talaniman, you sort of jumped on me several threads ago and ridiculed some of my statements so don't be too quick to point the finger. (I know, you don't point the finger cause you would have 4 pointing back)

As for your "having respect for....the teachings of Christ" you have honestly shown very little respect. It hasn't been the way that you've treated me that has stirred my ire as much as the way you speak of the Saviour. Does your lack of respect keep me up at night? Not at all. Now thinking of fighting morning, freeway traffic... that sometimes keeps me up.

talaniman · Jun 6, 2007, 07:40 PM

Sorry not aware of a lack of respect for Christ. I may jump on the dogma and tradition of man rather hard though.

catsandkittensandmittens · Jun 6, 2007, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

Trust me...I enjoy the debate. Most of those who disagree with me are probably pretty decent people. If we met in day to day life, we would probably greet each other with a hello...or maybe we wouldn't. I always try to be friendly with people I meet and they are usually friendly back. As I recall, Talaniman, you sort of jumped on me several threads ago and ridiculed some of my statements so don't be too quick to point the finger. (I know, you don't point the finger cause you would have 4 pointing back)

As for your "having respect for....the teachings of Christ" you have honestly shown very little respect. It hasn't been the way that you've treated me that has stirred my ire as much as the way you speak of the Saviour. Does your lack of respect keep me up at night? Not at all. Now thinking of fighting morning, freeway traffic...that sometimes keeps me up.

Why do you say "pretty decent people" not agreeing with your teachings make them undecent? I do not understand this statement from a christian

catsandkittensandmittens · Jun 6, 2007, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

Not if you have closed your mind to the possibility that Christianity is valid and true. Come on...open your mind to the possibilities, investigate, explore, and discover. Oh, I'm sorry, that only applies to non-Christian exploration, right?

You sound very angry. Maybe you need to remove yourself from here and pray. Blessings

DrJ · Jun 7, 2007, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by ActionJackson

ActionJackson disagrees: Not in the least! Once you find truth...there's no turning back.

Which is exactly why you will never get the word you preach through to others. Im sorry for you.

ActionJackson · Jun 7, 2007, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Sorry not aware of a lack of respect for Christ. I may jump on the dogma and tradition of man rather hard though.

Why not "get outside your box" and stop "jumping on the dogma" of Christianity.

ActionJackson · Jun 7, 2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by DrJizzle

Which is exactly why you will never get the word you preach thru to others. Im sorry for you.

I gave up a heavy drug and alcohol problem when I was 24. I was able to quit by turning to my last hope, Jesus Christ. He gave me the strength and the tools that I needed to give it up once and for all. I am 47 now. I have a diploma in Bible Law. I've attended numerous denominations to get a feel for the various teachings or slants on those teachings. I had a pretty sizeable prison ministry that lasted for several years. I have read the Bible in its entirety, twice, non-stop and I read some part of it every day. I've had several essays or studies published in Christian magazines that are sent worldwide. I have no idea if I have ever influenced anyone or not. I'm simply trying to be obedient to the Word of God which says that I should preach the gospel. The Holy Ghost will do the rest. To be honest, I can't say I remember who first tried to influence me with the gospel but I know that someone did. I wasn't ready at the time but when I was ready, I seemed to know intuitively where to turn.

I've seen your name about 4 times all within the last few days and you can say that I have "exactly" "never" gotten "thru" to anyone? I am currently looking at the top of my screen. It has the words "Religion" followed by "Christianity." I purposely sought out a forum like this so I could discuss Christianity with other Christians. However, instead of having a gentle conversation with other Christians, I have to put up with gnats and fleas of the Christ-hating community who come in hear for the sole purpose of disrupting our discussions. I don't go into your Wiccan, or witchcraft, or atheist sites and nitpic your every post. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.