[jlisenbe]

You need to read his post again. He was never denying the existence of such people.

[Wondergirl]

You need to read his post again. He was never denying the existence of such people.

Finally, LGBT+ people are starting to feel comfortable with themselves and are "coming out". As I mentioned earlier, they've been among us since the beginning of time and are finally, joyfully, revealing their real selves.

[jlisenbe]

The pedophiles and zoophiles are next in line to joyfully reveal their real selves. Their claims will be every bit as valid as the LGBT crowd in the minds of many people.

[Wondergirl]

Criminals don't reveal their true selves.

[jlisenbe]

Sodomy used to be illegal. If we think we can celebrate two men having sex with each other, then adults/children and people/animals will come next. This describes it all perfectly.

...with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

[Wondergirl]

So a married couple, male and female, are allowed to have sex only one way, correct? No variations on a theme.

[tomder55]

One thing I'll say; Rick Levine waited well into adulthood before he began pretending he was a woman.

If an adult chooses mutilation then I suppose it is a free will thing as long as I don't have to pay for it .

But there is a 10th level of Dante's hell for adults who encourage youth to mutilate themselves .
As Paul Stanley said

“Turning this into a game or parents normalizing it as some sort of natural alternative or believing that because a little boy likes to play dress up in his sister’s clothes or a girl in her brother’s, we should lead them steps further down a path that’s far from the innocence of what they are doing,”

[Wondergirl]

But there is a 10th level of Dante's hell for adults who encourage youth to mutilate themselves .

That's not what happens, not how it works.

[tomder55]

As Paul Stanley said

“Turning this into a game or parents normalizing it as some sort of natural alternative or believing that because a little boy likes to play dress up in his sister’s clothes or a girl in her brother’s, we should lead them steps further down a path that’s far from the innocence of what they are doing,”

[Wondergirl]

As Paul Stanley said

“Turning this into a game or parents normalizing it as some sort of natural alternative or believing that because a little boy likes to play dress up in his sister’s clothes or a girl in her brother’s, we should lead them steps further down a path that’s far from the innocence of what they are doing,”

That's why family and individual counseling is done. No surgery (if any) is done for years.

[jlisenbe]

So a married couple, male and female, are allowed to have sex only one way, correct? No variations on a theme.

I'll just say it again. Sodomy used to be illegal. In England, "buggery" was punishable by death. You claimed that "criminals do not reveal their true selves," but what if it is no longer illegal? In your mind, is it OK then? I ask because that is what they are pushing for. Tom posted on this a few weeks back, speaking of some wanting to use the term "minor-attracted persons" rather then pedophiles. I suspect that you will support that should it be legalized. After all, if a fourteen year old girl is old enough to decide to have her genitals removed/altered, then surely you would think she is old enough to decide to have sex.

[Wondergirl]

After all, if a fourteen year old girl is old enough to decide to have her genitals removed/altered, then surely you would think she is old enough to decide to have sex.

Nope. No way. Still too young.

[jlisenbe]

Well at least you are agreeing that fourteen year olds should not have this type of surgery. That is progress.

[Wondergirl]

Well at least you are agreeing that fourteen year olds should not have this type of surgery. That is progress.

A 14 y/o (and older) can dress the part, behave as the opposite sex, etc. I know at least a half dozen individuals who are old enough but can't afford the changeover. They are meanwhile satisfied with how they are able to present themselves.

[jlisenbe]

A 14 y/o (and older) can dress the part, behave as the opposite sex, etc. I know at least a half dozen individuals who are old enough but can't afford the changeover. They are meanwhile satisfied with how they are able to present themselves.

How old is "old enough"?

[Wondergirl]

How old is "old enough"?

Over 21, self supporting.

No questions as to how they present themselves???

[jlisenbe]

As a Christian minister, or just as a Christian, I would oppose it, but I don’t think it should be illegal.

[Wondergirl]

Why oppose it?

[jlisenbe]

Because women do not become men.

[Wondergirl]

Because women do not become men.

What makes him a man?