First brought up here and referenced in other comments .

The abnormal has become the new normal. - Page 8 (askmehelpdesk.com)

The company has tried desperately to get back it's market share . This week it is doing a promo that is basically a give-away .
Bud Light Offers Rebate for July Fourth, Basically Free Beer | Entrepreneur

Still no one is "buying it "

Bud Light sales sink 28% heading into July 4 holiday (nypost.com)

Dylan Mulvany is actually complaining that the company doesn't have his back .

Dylan Mulvaney says Bud Light never reached out to her amid backlash : NPR

He says transformers drink beer too.
I bet they are drinking Modelo too

Bud Light loses its title as America's top-selling beer to Modelo Especial | CNN Business

Me ...I drink Samuel Adams

I feel sorry for the workers who are losing their jobs over this fiasco.

Hundreds Lose Their Jobs At Glass Plant That Made Bottles For Bud Light: Report | The Daily Wire

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...GQ&oe=64AF6BA6

Who knows? Perhaps this is the point at which the left has gone too far with it's insane lunacy.

Why "insane lunacy"?

(Speaking of insane lunacy, it's means it is. You want to use the possessive its in this case.)

Men cannot just become women. It's craziness.

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Men cannot just become women. It's craziness.

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Even you could become one. And it's not "just"; it often takes three or more years, starting out with gender counseling.

And women can become men. Ellen Page meet Eliot Page!

It's a mental illness...a fantasy. It's like suggesting a person can become a cat. An idea, by the way, which has been accepted by a number of people. People believe all sorts of things. Their belief does not make it so.

Nope, not mental illness. If your pregnant mother or her doctor had "blessed" you with an overabundance of estrogen, I'd be calling you Johnette.

Please don't start that again. You have been shown repeatedly that it is an absurd idea. Those DES doses haven't taken place in many decades, and even then there is but scant evidence that it had anything to do with the TG issue. If you insist on pushing that argument, even when you have been shown repeatedly that it is idiotic, then I'll let you chant that mantra to someone else. It's why I try to avoid discussions with you. You are the classic ideologue. You never learn.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...71#post3891871

One more time. This is from a very TG site. Even they can find no evidence of DES leading to TG. Note that there are several possible problems found in the children of DES mothers, but nothing has been found to support the TG idea, so the author is reduced to having to refer to a "strong suspicion". In other words, we would like for that to be so, but we have no evidence at all to support it.

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In 1971, it was found that DES sometimes created a rare vaginal tumor called “clear cell carcinoma” — not in the women who took the medication, but in girls and women who had been exposed to Diethylstilbestrol years earlier while they were in their mothers’ wombs, when they were embryos and fetuses.
DES was also found to increase the rate of breast cancers in women who took the drug.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration quickly removed its approval for use in pregnant women that year.
Children of women who took Diethylstilbestrol during their pregnancy are often called “DES daughters” and “DES sons.”
DES daughters have a higher rate of abnormalities of their reproductive tract, some forms of cancer, and are at a higher risk of pregnancy complications.
DES sons have a higher rate of testicular cancer, infertility and urogenital abnormalities.
There is also a strong suspicion by many researchers that exposure to DES before birth might cause transgender identity.

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Although there is no research that shows that males or females exposed to progesterone in the womb or other estrogenic drugs, such as diethylstilbestrol (DES) may have a raised risk of gender dysphoria; there may be an association in some atypical aspects of gender role behavior.

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https://www.news-medical.net/health/...Dysphoria.aspx

I'm not talking about DES, although that was the thing from the '30s to the '70s that jump-started transitioning. Even Mother Nature herself is guilty of tossing in extra estrogen (or testosterone) during a pregnancy. This isn't a perfect world anymore, Johnette! And the DES thing is real (no one has "shown me repeatedly"), but only one way a fetus got sloshed with estrogen. And it still happens -- too much estrogen or testosterone during fetal development can affect gender.

I just showed you above AGAIN. DES HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED FOR USE IN PREGNANT WOMEN SINCE 1971. HELLO!!!

If you can find anything other than your own utterly non-scientific opinion on your idea, then we can continue. Otherwise, I leave it to everyone else to see the falseness of your contention. If you were willing to learn even a little bit, it would help a great deal.

I do not at all wish to come across as mean towards you. I don't know how to handle someone who insists that 2+2=6. It seems impossible to help you see rational truth. Evidently someone will need to do it, because I don't know how. But I do wish you the absolute best.

"The bodies of all embryos start off as female. However, embryos that are biological males generally produce hormones that change their appearance to male. Thus, an ultrasound test on a ten-week-old embryo can often tell whether she or he is a biologically female or male.

In contrast, major neuron development in the brain of the fetus starts much later in pregnancy, in the middle of the second trimester.
Thus, during pregnancy, there are some processes early on that determine a person’s biological sex and their anatomical design.

However, the processes that develop the brain occur much later, in the second and third trimester. This introduces the possibility that some processes at different times during pregnancy can result in the birth of a new-born with a male body and a female brain or vice versa."
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religi...s-transgender/

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I do not at all wish to come across as mean towards you. I don't know how to handle someone who insists that 2+2=6. It seems impossible to help you see rational truth. Evidently someone will need to do it, because I don't know how. But I do wish you the absolute best.

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I know exactly how you feel, Johnette.

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Originally Posted by jlisenbe

I just showed you above AGAIN. DES HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED FOR USE IN PREGNANT WOMEN SINCE 1971. HELLO!!!

If you can find anything other than your own utterly non-scientific opinion on your idea, then we can continue. Otherwise, I leave it to everyone else to see the falseness of your contention. If you were willing to learn even a little bit, it would help a great deal.

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I am not talking about DES, Johnette!!!

This has been going on since ancient times, a male body having a female brain -- or vice versa. Indigenous peoples even had a name for this.

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"The bodies of all embryos start off as female. However, embryos that are biological males generally produce hormones that change their appearance to male. Thus, an ultrasound test on a ten-week-old embryo can often tell whether she or he is a biologically female or male.

In contrast, major neuron development in the brain of the fetus starts much later in pregnancy, in the middle of the second trimester.
Thus, during pregnancy, there are some processes early on that determine a person’s biological sex and their anatomical design.

However, the processes that develop the brain occur much later, in the second and third trimester. This introduces the possibility that some processes at different times during pregnancy can result in the birth of a new-born with a male body and a female brain or vice versa."

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Thank you for posting material which does nothing at all to prove your point. Please learn the meaning of "possibility" and "can". Used in conjunction, they mean that there is no evidence at all to lead to that conclusion. It's just basic conjecture. And note that there was no mention whatsoever of your imaginary "sloshed with estrogen" idea. Even you can't support it. As I have said, you are a poster child for an ideologue. You are letting your conclusion chase after evidence. That's backwards. I do realize, however, that you really have no choice since there is no evidence to support your claim. Oh well.

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I do realize, however, that you really have no choice since there is no evidence to support your claim. Oh well.

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Prove me wrong.

It is up to you to prove yourself correct. You made the unsupportable post about estrogen and TG. Now see if you can back it up. Note: You cannot.

Besides, I have already posted A LOT to disprove your idea. Read them.

You can start here. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showpo...8&postcount=10

You would really, really be well-served to simply admit you have an idea that might be proven true in the future, but which at present has no support.

1. We all begin as female. Something happens to change some of us to male. What happens?

That does absolutely nothing to support your estrogen/TG idea. I hope that means you have abandoned it as well you should.

As to what happens, read your own post. "However, embryos that are biological males generally produce hormones that change their appearance to male. Thus, an ultrasound test on a ten-week-old embryo can often tell whether she or he is a biologically female or male."

BTW, the "we all begin as females" idea is a highly questionable one.

https://www.invitra.com/en/faqs/do-a...gin-as-female/

Humans are born with two arms . If someone is born with one ;none ;or three that is a rare abnormality defect. That doesn't mean humans are not two armed animals.

Exceptions don’t invalidate the rule.

Males produce sperm Women produce eggs . Those are the only two possibilities Males cannot produce eggs Women cannot produce sperm . Every person alive today is the product of the joining of sperm and egg and to my knowledge no human has been born without the intercourse of the sperm and egg There is no exception to that even though it is true that some humans are born with deformities.
Sex is binary is a scientific fact