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Mar 28, 2021, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
has anyone pointed out there are some high mountains in the way of that route, might as well build a road
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Mar 28, 2021, 10:50 PM
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It has moved
Not far but it has moved, good news for someone anyway
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Mar 29, 2021, 03:25 PM
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The wind beached it, the tide unbeached it. Man watched.
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Mar 29, 2021, 03:43 PM
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Iran thinks it is a viable route but besides mountains ;the route employs passage through the Artic Barents Sea, Kara Sea, Laptev Sea, East Siberian Sea, Chukchi Sea, and partially the Bering Sea in the Pacific Ocean.
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Mar 29, 2021, 04:40 PM
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What are you talking about, it is the Caspian route?
Originally Posted by talaniman
The wind beached it, the tide unbeached it. Man watched.
Not entirely true
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Mar 30, 2021, 04:18 AM
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Yep. That's not correct at all. If man had just "watched", the ship would still be blocking the canal.
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Apr 2, 2021, 11:31 AM
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Apr 2, 2021, 03:01 PM
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I sure thought the Suez Canal was bigger than that!! 8D
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Apr 2, 2021, 05:38 PM
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so did joe
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Apr 13, 2021, 02:37 PM
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and now the lawyers make a blockage
https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...164d47386382f7
the Ever Given has been seized by Egypt, apparently the Japanese owners don't think they should compensate Egypt in any way. the claim is $900 million so there she stays with $7 billion in goods which is a lesson to shippers, don't put your container on the biggest carrier. What price China's Belt and Road now, the alternative must be looking good
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Apr 14, 2021, 11:26 AM
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No doubt they'll eventually hash it out!
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Apr 14, 2021, 03:26 PM
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No they will make a hash of it while they smoke their hash
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Apr 14, 2021, 03:58 PM
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What price China's Belt and Road now, the alternative must be looking good
lol maybe we should put freight on the back of the camel .
There is too much reliance on freight transportation by road already .
It was a freak accident . I don't know exactly the liability laws . Seems to me that Egypt is holding the ship and freight as hostage .
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Apr 14, 2021, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tomder55
lol maybe we should put freight on the back of the camel .
There is too much reliance on freight transportation by road already .
It was a freak accident . I don't know exactly the liability laws . Seems to me that Egypt is holding the ship and freight as hostage .
no the ship was salvaged, there is a bill, no doubt subject to negotiation, this wouldn't be the first ship seized for costs, my own government has done the same when dealing with recaliciant owners
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Apr 15, 2021, 04:44 AM
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no the ship was salvaged, there is a bill, no doubt subject to negotiation, this wouldn't be the first ship seized for costs, my own government has done the same when dealing with recaliciant owners
That does seem to make sense.
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Apr 15, 2021, 05:10 AM
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salvage aside ;Clete was trying to make the point that this is an example of why land transport of goods is a better option. I disagree ;especially when speaking of an alternative being the Belt and Road . The Silk Road was a sound idea during the days of Marco Polo ;and stayed that way until the Fall of Constantinople . Then the world realized that it needed a reliable movement of goods over the seas .
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Apr 15, 2021, 05:31 AM
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Well Tom I sure alternatives will be explored, the Polar route is an erstwhile option but this suggests we should stop building bigger and bigger ships and perhaps make them faster, meanwhile overland routes could be significantly upgraded
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Apr 15, 2021, 07:00 AM
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salvage aside ;Clete was trying to make the point that this is an example of why land transport of goods is a better option
Land transport would be far more expensive and likely subject to many more hinderances. Bigger and faster ships are a great idea.
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Apr 15, 2021, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jlisenbe
Land transport would be far more expensive and likely subject to many more hinderances. Bigger and faster ships are a great idea.
Until they get stuck in the canal, sunk in storms. Being bigger doesn't mean faster, in fact the biggest ships are slow ponderous beasts. If land transport is so expensive why are there fleets of huge trucks on the highways, Land transport has proven to be fast and relatively inexpensive, the only reason we still use ships is there are no bridges between continents and the infrastructure isn't up to the standard needed
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Apr 15, 2021, 05:53 PM
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Until they get stuck in the canal, sunk in storms.
Which happens once every bazillion years.
Being bigger doesn't mean faster,
Who said it did?
the only reason we still use ships is there are no bridges between continents
That and the fact that it is FAR cheaper to ship by container ship.
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