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Wondergirl · Nov 12, 2020, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Nothing to be proud of, Satan knew he could not deceive Adam, but Eve wanted to be equal with God and still does. People no longer take the stranger into their homes and there was always discrimination. The Jews practiced discrimination against the whole human race on religious grounds and certainly didn't recognise the LGBTQIA "community" but man welcomes this abomination in all its manifestations. Even Jesus wasn't sent to the gentiles but had to raise disciples for that purpose.

Don't be confused by liberal theology

Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.

paraclete · Nov 12, 2020, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Um, 'clete, as I said, it was just a mere woman who deceived Adam. Satan was probably watching and laughing his head off.

When Jesus said love one another, He included all the people you very happily toss away.

I don't toss anyone away, so get off your pedestal before you fall off. You sound like you applaud what Eve did and show your Satanic nature by laughing. Women have being deceiving men for millennia, it's Biblical. In Genesis God declared what the nature of women would be, manipulative by nature.

Just because someone decides to come to my country doesn't mean they should be admitted, I don't assume their burden just because they think it is a good idea

jlisenbe · Nov 12, 2020, 07:22 PM

And then, there are 666 children at the southern border whose parents have been totally disconnected from them. The number is interesting....

It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.

paraclete · Nov 12, 2020, 08:15 PM

Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

Wondergirl · Nov 12, 2020, 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by paraclete

Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

I'm not liberal but also am not closeminded. I'm open to hearing other points of view.

jlisenbe · Nov 12, 2020, 08:58 PM

those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

Very, very true, Clete.

talaniman · Nov 12, 2020, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

It's hard for me to believe that anyone who will not bother herself over the loss of 900,000 human lives a year has any real concern for "666" children other than to take another swipe at Mr. Trump.

Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.

Originally Posted by paraclete

Ah jl you know those who follow a liberal doctrine are very selective

As are conservative doctrine followers so what?

paraclete · Nov 12, 2020, 10:33 PM

So what?

They seek to include everyone in their falacies, where as conservatives don't like that approach

jlisenbe · Nov 13, 2020, 05:24 AM

Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events, no matter where your sensibilities lie. I doubt this is about taking a swipe at the dufus with those border kids, just calling out the cruelty and abuse that he perpetrates. I figure WG just has an empathetic view of what others go through.

If you are interested in cruelty, you are opposed to abortion. To speak of six hundred and ignore nine hundred thousand is just political garbage. You can keep your meaningless excuses for those foolish enough to believe them. To say, "Most people understand what people go thru during life changing events," is to open the door to anything and everything. "Yes, I killed one of my children, but I'm undergoing a life changing event, so it's OK." It could be an example sentence under the definition of "platitudes".

talaniman · Nov 13, 2020, 08:43 AM

That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?

I understand your position but unfortunately you are outvoted in the law and public opinion, even as you support changing that law. Probably be helpful if you stop whining about how wrong others are and how right you are, so as to dispense with the personal attacks and insults. I kind of find it interesting your dismissal and twisting of my term life changing events that people endure as some kind of excuse for anything goes, because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?

paraclete · Nov 13, 2020, 01:45 PM

law and public opinion, another liberal falacy

jlisenbe · Nov 13, 2020, 03:47 PM

That you can ignore one cruelty for another is telling, since WG and I are against abortions AND the cruelty of this administration, and have said so repeatedly. now you can twist that around all you want, it doesn't change a thing does it?

You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it. Secondly, you are also not against it, so your first statement is completely untrue. Lastly, I have just said earlier I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly. They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior. They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.

because it's not in my opinion, just acknowledgement that people grow and learn at different paces and positive changes take time to occur, and plenty of stuff happens until it does and not at all smooth and easy, but you know that already so why be nasty about it?

That tells me nothing. "Plenty of stuff happens", so I shouldn't be concerned about the killings of 900,000 human beings a year? Is that your justification?

Wondergirl · Nov 13, 2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

You need to get your facts straight. First of all, WG has never said she is against abortion and has just declined an opportunity to oppose it.

I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.

If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

I am against cruelty to children of any kind. The 666 children she spoke of are not being treated cruelly.

You know this how? Oh yeah, Trump said they get to watch TV all day and eat snacks.

They are, for the most part, victims of their parents' irresponsible behavior.

It's irresponsible to remove your children from a war zone and send/take them to a better place to live? Lots of Jews during WW2 would have disagreed with you.

They have to be kept somewhere. I don't know the answer to it and neither do you.

Of course, I do!

talaniman · Nov 13, 2020, 04:24 PM

I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.

I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine.

jlisenbe · Nov 13, 2020, 09:02 PM

I am against willy-nilly abortions that have no rationale (and I did say something to that effect) plus I also mentioned having an abortion is between the pregnant woman and her doctor. Sometimes it IS a medical necessity.

Very nice job of being non-commital.

If your 12-year-old granddaughter was raped, would you be okay with her getting an abortion?

No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children. Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.

Of course, I do!

Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?

I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.

No one invited you into this discussion. If you can't stand the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Wondergirl · Nov 13, 2020, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by jlisenbe

Very nice job of being non-commital.

You want a yes/no response? It doesn't work that way.

No I would not. I have a foundation for my belief. Unborn children are human beings deserving of protection. A child that is the product of rape is of no less value than other children.

Thus, your granddaughter has no value. And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.

Your great weakness is that you want to appear to be against abortion while excusing it in nearly every instance. You have no foundation for your belief.

Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.

Great. Let's hear it. How do you return those children to their parents when the parents are in jail or have disappeared?

Tomorrow. It's bedtime now.

jlisenbe · Nov 13, 2020, 09:25 PM

You want a yes/no response? It doesn't workthat way.

Like I said...non-commital. You're about as against abortion as I'm against the purchase of a Dodge automobile. It's a simple preference to you.

Thus, your granddaughter has no value.

That's a completely absurd statement. Nothing I said would cause any rational person to arrive at that conclusion. Surely you missed something somewhere.

And you will force this young girl to be pregnant for nine months (screwing up her body and soul), delivering the baby (no, that's not fun even when you WANT the baby), and staring at this product of rape, reminding her every second of her shame.

If a doctor not working at an abortion mill told me the pregnancy could likely cause her lifelong physical injury or death, then that would be a different matter. However, 13 year old girls give birth and go on to live productive lives. Others have abortions and live their entire adult lives regretting it bitterly. The baby is just a troublesome brat to you. To me it is a living human being.

Guess I'll have to post the Bible verses where God commanded abortions.

Yeah. That'll be interesting

talaniman · Nov 14, 2020, 09:29 AM

You got no heat in the kitchen...that's a grease fire from rehashed rhetoric.

jlisenbe · Nov 14, 2020, 09:43 AM

You got no heat in the kitchen.

Then what are you whining about? If you have a rational argument, then bring it forward, but the endless complaining such as, "I for one care little for those perceptions and definitions you want to pigeon hole others into JL. I don't need your validation for any of my positions or opinions.I realize your a NUT, and accept your nuttiness! Plays rather well with your self righteous pretzel routine," just becomes tiresome. You're just whining as opposed to advancing any kind of argument that is worth listening to. You have no statement that can be responded to.

talaniman · Nov 14, 2020, 09:55 AM

That's your version of the debate which is always one sided. I understand completely the frustration of failing to outlaw abortion, gay marriage, and welfare in America. I applaud your dedication, and perseverance, but not the nasty inaccuracy of your rock chunking...but if that's all you got, then that's all you got.