[talaniman]

Might be true in Chicago, but not down here. Here, a person generally gets the respect he/she has earned. Besides, for CK to be trying to draw attention to that while he, a black man, is earning millions of dollars is about as fake as it can get.

Try and tell a white dude about cops stopping black people and could end up dead and watch eyes glaze over. That's what taking a knee was about.

actually it was about "police violence" initially . It was later on when his true motive came out that his real motive was to advance his own brand as his NFL career was advancing towards the bench

You almost had it right but oh well.

[tomder55]

You almost had it right but oh well.

He's done very well by being a rebel without a cause.

[talaniman]

The NFL settled his lawsuit, and even if his success on the field was going down, he was better than most of the back ups I've seen the last few years.

[tomder55]

The only team I think he could fit his option read skills with are the Ravens ;and they already have Vick. If he truely wants to be a QB then he should go the the XFL and demonstrate his skills in a competitive environment . His faux workout this year was pathetic . Any weekend semi-pro league QB could've done as well. Nah he knew his playing days were over when the Niners benched him for

Blaine Gabbert. Face facts . Chip Kelly decided to put a gimmick offense in for 2016 that caught the league by surprise . By 2017 every defense except maybe the Gnats knew how to beat it . The NFL adjusted to Kap and Kap did not adjust in kind. That is why he was holding the clipboard before he saw his golden opportunity to exploit a cause .

[jlisenbe]

Try and tell a white dude about cops stopping black people and could end up dead and watch eyes glaze over. That's what taking a knee was about.

All the usual BLM propaganda.

[talaniman]

All the usual BLM propaganda.

Why am I not surprised at your closed minded response. BLM has always been around by other names and generations, but the same struggle. Your bigotry is but a good example why the struggle continues.

[jlisenbe]

Bigotry or honesty? That's the question. Too many liberals think that if someone disagrees with their conclusion, then they surely must be bigoted. That is, of course, a form of bigotry itself, so I never pull back because some possibly bigoted person wants to claim I am bigoted. I just try and let the facts fall where they may.

[talaniman]

I'm a realist JL, and you should listen and learn about the black experience instead shooting your mouth off about what you feel but don't know. The reality is we are not that color blind society and we are still far from realizing that perfect union. Glean your facts from that perspective and you could learn things you didn't know and not sound like an uninformed bigot.

You know nothing of BLM. That's a FACT! Don't mistake ignorance for honesty. Honesty would be you know nothing about BLM.

[Vacuum7]

Talaniman: Generally speaking, ALL Southern Caucasian men know a LOT MORE about the Black Experience that what they are given credit for...and GENERALLY a whole hell of a lot more than do the Caucasian men of the North.....and that is because we grew up in close proximity to, generally worked with, ate with, often played with, and sometimes fought with Blacks, the same as we did other Whites.....You got to give jlisenbe some credit! He taught school: He can hardly be called a bigot.

[Wondergirl]

and that is because we grew up in close proximity to, generally worked with, ate with, often played with, and sometimes fought with Blacks, the same as we did other Whites.....You got to give jlisenbe some credit! He taught school: He can hardly be called a bigot.

JL is around my age. The South I was born in and grew up in had segregated towns and cities, segregated schools, segregated churches, segregated workplaces. I rarely saw a Black person except the women who were mammies and domestics at friends' homes, plus the men who were garbage collectors, gas jockeys, and parking lot attendants -- all low-paying service jobs. I never saw a Black child while shopping or at the park or at a movie theater. Oh, and Blacks were forbidden from swimming in public pools.

[paraclete]

JL is around my age. The South I was born in and grew up in had segregated towns and cities, segregated schools, segregated churches, segregated workplaces. I rarely saw a Black person except the women who were mammies and domestics at friends' homes, plus the men who were garbage collectors, gas jockeys, and parking lot attendants -- all low-paying service jobs. I never saw a Black child while shopping or at the park or at a movie theater. Oh, and Blacks were forbidden from swimming in public pools.

Must have been bad to live in a place like that, by contrast my nation was not segregated and yet I didn't encounter a black person until well into my teens, they kept to themselves then not like now when they are in your face demanding the place back yet they have contributed little

[jlisenbe]

I'm a realist JL, and you should listen and learn about the black experience instead shooting your mouth off about what you feel but don't know. The reality is we are not that color blind society and we are still far from realizing that perfect union. Glean your facts from that perspective and you could learn things you didn't know and not sound like an uninformed bigot.

You know nothing of BLM. That's a FACT! Don't mistake ignorance for honesty. Honesty would be you know nothing about BLM.

There's that ole bigotry at work again. I'm a white conservative, so I must not know much about the "black experience". Right. I would agree we are not color blind. I don't think we ever will be, but the big problems afflicting the black community now are largely self inflicted.

Unlike WG, I knew a large number of black people. Never saw a "mammie" or even heard of one. Never saw a "domestic" in the sense of some sort of in-house servant. Two or three KKK folks showed up at a ballgame one time. Most of us thought they were the dumbest looking people we ever saw. Schools integrated when I was in the eleventh grade. It was largely a big nothing of an occasion. We got along well. I've worked in majority white, black, and Choctaw Indian schools as well as in furniture moving and meat packing when I was young. I was surrounded by black employees in both places and we all got along. I have supervised black employees and been supervised by black people. No big deal. People are just people.

[paraclete]

No big deal. People are just people.

Yes jl, they are, until they choose not to be and start sticking racial tags on themselves

[talaniman]

Not every white conservative is like you, JL, I truly wish they were but unfortunately they are NOT, and a small number are pretty mean. Until one knows who he deals with then caution applies. Sorry Clete, but you have obviously never been rudely asked what are you doing here boy enough to know who puts tags on whom.

Now what?

[paraclete]

Not every white conservative is like you, JL, I truly wish they were but unfortunately they are NOT, and a small number are pretty mean. Until one knows who he deals with then caution applies. Sorry Clete, but you have obviously never been rudely asked what are you doing here boy enough to know who puts tags on whom.

Now what?

No tal, don't stick my nose in where it isn't wanted, but I doubt you have known a demonrat not to do that

[talaniman]

I started to say your nose is always wanted Clete, but that may be a bit awkward, but I am always interested in your input.

[jlisenbe]

Not every white conservative is like you, JL, I truly wish they were but unfortunately they are NOT, and a small number are pretty mean. Until one knows who he deals with then caution applies.

I understand what you're saying. And to be clear, I am certainly not saying you are bigoted anymore than the rest of us. Most people have some prejudices. Some are justifiable/understandable and some are not. You seem to be more fair than the average guy. I do like the fact that we just let it go with each other. I think our culture needs more of these honest and open kind of exchanges as long as they don't go toxic.

[paraclete]

So has the US woke from a bad dream, a nightmare, and found the sun shine again

[jlisenbe]

Kind of depends on what side you're on.

[paraclete]

Kind of depends on what side you're on.

either way it is a new day, and the prospect of the demonrats being led by a minority