[jlisenbe]

When they become mass shooters.

Fair enough. Now how about those 309 murdered people in Baltimore just last year. Any interest in them?

[tomder55]

There are lots of lone rangers out there in InternetLand who have inhaled the white supremacy thinking. One popped up in a Facebook cat group the other day!

Yes there are ;and yet they have proactively identified and stopped lone wolf jihadists before they attack. It's either that or get proactive and reduce the number of soft targets . That would be more difficult than getting proactive in identifying potential shooters through intel sharing and more community policing organizations .When one pops up on Facebook that person can be reported anonymously if they are writing something that appears threatening .

[talaniman]

The rise of these hate groups makes decisions like these mystifying.

https://www.newsweek.com/far-right-a...er-hate-628829

https://thehill.com/policy/national-...-wing-violence

[tomder55]

you see these attacks as more fodder for attacking Trump .Since it is difficult to pin Chicago shootings on him then they should be ignored .

[tomder55]

Dayton killer “was expelled from school after officials found a notebook where he reportedly wrote a list of people who he wanted to rape, kill and skin their bodies.”

https://dayton247now.com/news/local/...trict-shooting

see or hear something say something just like we do when we suspect any other act of terrorism .

[Athos]

The rise of these hate groups makes decisions like these mystifying.

https://www.newsweek.com/far-right-a...er-hate-628829

"Mystifying" is an understatement. These were monies approved by all that were designated to help former extreme rightists to be rehabilitated. It is hard to believe anybody could oppose such a worthy cause.

The Trump administration, however, saw fit to cancel the grant and withhold the money already granted. Trump gets bolder and bolder as he nears his demise, ardently hoped for by the majority of Americans (and non-Americans across the world).

[paraclete]

Trump gets bolder and bolder as he nears his demise, ardently hoped for by the majority of Americans (and non-Americans across the world).

Some statements here we might agree on, although I wouldn't count on his demise, the opposition doesn't offer much promise

[talaniman]

you see these attacks as more fodder for attacking Trump .Since it is difficult to pin Chicago shootings on him then they should be ignored .

Plenty of blame for many presidents and congresses not just the dufus Tom but the dufus has promoted a lot of bad behavior in my view and I have clearly pointed out the problems of poverty and capitalism running amok in our cities that predate the dufus. For your part you use the woes of the cities as a cudgel to beat the dems over the head, so I guess it evens out in the wash, but solves nothing.

[tomder55]

he got bump stock banned .

He is proposing stronger back round checks.

Not that that will go anywhere . Competing gun legislation that would've restricted sales of guns to people on the FBI terrorist watch list ,and stronger back round checks ,bills that even the NRA supported, failed in partisan votes in the Senate in 2016 .

[talaniman]

He also wants to tie gun reforms to immigration reforms so even less likely either will go anywhere. Moscow Mitch has several bills from the house on both subjects and we got nada, not even a debate. What a pair these two holding high offices of the land. Banning bump stocks was a start but inadequate, without follow up and follow through.

[jlisenbe]

What has Pelosi's House come up with?

[tomder55]

her bill failed also . Tal you don't get negotiations yet. You add the kitchen sink to a wish list and then it get negotiated down. What is wrong with tying immigration reform with gun control measures ? It gives both sides something they want .

[paraclete]

her bill failed also . Tal you don't get negotiations yet. You add the kitchen sink to a wish list and then it get negotiated down. What is wrong with tying immigration reform with gun control measures ? It gives both sides something they want .

Maybe you could start with legislating common sense

[tomder55]

yes it is common sense to have both back round checks strengthened AND to reform immigration laws .

[Athos]

yes it is common sense to have both back round checks strengthened AND to reform immigration laws .

It is not common sense. It is Trump using the dead and wounded to force his political agenda.

[talaniman]

You make my point rather well Tom, since there are proposals from the house, but no negotiations or proposals coming from the senate, so ask Moscow Mitch where his common sense is.

[tomder55]

some killings get the nation's attention ....others don't

https://www.kansascity.com/news/loca...vnxBHGlf8pWcR4

bs Tal both sides play politics with the gun issue. The Dems were more than thrilled that John Cornyn's bill was defeated . There was not one Dem Senate vote in support

[talaniman]

This is a gun culture country, with plenty of gun toting lunatics and psychopaths all over the place.

bs Tal both sides play politics with the gun issue. The Dems were more than thrilled that John Cornyn's bill was defeated . There was not one Dem Senate vote in support

Which one do you mean since he has sponsored many over the years...all going down in flames.

[tomder55]

Yeah it is a gun culture .Over 300 million legal guns and probably more than a trillion rounds ... If gun ownership was the issue you would know it .

The inertia is in both parties . Not that any registration legislation /law would make any difference .

Why not admit like former Justice John Paul Stevens did that the only common sense legislation you guys really want is a repeal of the 2nd amendment ? https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/o...amendment.html

[talaniman]

I said in the other thread

The dufus could always declare an emergency like he did during the invasion from the south and take care of this mess with an executive order. Problem solved tomorrow. Or today if he skips his Mickey D break!