[tomder55]

The Dayton shooter ;

Connor Betts does not match the profile of a white nationalist . He appears more to resemble a sociopath like Columbine's

Harris and Klebold .

[jlisenbe]

There was no discussion, and you still haven't answered my question.

It was answered plainly and clearly. You just don't like the answer. It doesn't fit your view of Trump so you won't accept it. Too bad.

[Wondergirl]

It was answered plainly and clearly. You just don't like the answer. It doesn't fit your view of Trump so you won't accept it. Too bad.

Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

[paraclete]

Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

Yes that's it

[talaniman]

And I don't understand why you are not interested in the truth. Since you seem unwilling to do even a relatively simple thing, I will do all the work here. A white nationalist is not a white person who espouses nationalism. That is what I referred to as complete nonsense. What I wanted you to discover for yourself is that a white nationalist is a person who believes in a nation set aside solely for the benefit of white people. Now if you can find a quote anywhere where Trump has said that, then let's hear it. Otherwise, I think you should do the honorable thing and drop it.

And please don't come up with a quote where Trump has called himself a nationalist. That is not the same thing as a white nationalist which I had fervently hoped you would have discovered for yourself by now. And also not a half-baked quote that you twist around to mean what you desire. A plain, clear statement would be nice. I will tell you right now you will not find one.

The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear. That's what makes your whole argument nonsense to me, because he knows full well how it will be taken by those that share those views. So you can minimize his tropes all you want, it still comes down to his words and actions to get the votes of our most vile citizens, and embraces the hate they feel for those he casts as others.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.

[jlisenbe]

Thus, your answer is "he's a loud-mouthed irritant."

Who is not a WN. You must learn to read more carefully and think for yourself.

The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear. That's what makes your whole argument nonsense to me, because he knows full well how it will be taken by those that share those views. So you can minimize his tropes all you want, it still comes down to his words and actions to get the votes of our most vile citizens, and embraces the hate they feel for those he casts as others.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.

Many words do not make for a sound conclusion. You think he's a white nationalist so the rest of us have to accept your conclusion? It's just a manifestation of your TDS. Your extreme hatred of Trump is distorting your judgement. I'm an example of someone who thinks for himself and does not let the democrat party's propaganda machine (a.k.a. the national media) determine his beliefs. I don't particularly like Trump, but I also do not like the hate machine which thinks that since he is a white man who considers himself a nationalist, then he must be a white nationalist. That is an error of logic that most fifth graders can see through and is utterly incorrect.

In the meantime, the dem front-runner, Biden, offered his condolences to the people of Houston and Michigan. Later he had to correct himself and make that El Paso and Ohio. This past May, Biden confused former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, who died in 2013, with then Prime Minister Theresa May. Oh well.

[talaniman]

You don't have to take my word for the dufus is a white nationalist since the white nationalists thinks he is one of them too.

[jlisenbe]

You don't have to take my word for the dufus is a white nationalist since the white nationalists thinks he is one of them too.

I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them, so by your logic Obama was a BN. I just don't agree with either of those ideas.

[tomder55]

remember when the emperor would not use words like "Muslim terrorism " Remember when he call the Fort Hood shootings by a jihadist 'work place violence' . Was Bernie Sanders condemned because one of his supporters decided to murder Republican Representatives ? When the emperor would not condemn BLM ,who were calling for the death of cops ,and then Dallas cops were shot ;was the emperor held responsible ?

[jlisenbe]

remember when the emperor would not use words like "Muslim terrorism " Remember when he call the Fort Hood shootings by a jihadist 'work place violence' . Was Bernie Sanders condemned because one of his supporters decided to murder Republican Representatives ? When the emperor would not condemn BLM ,who were calling for the death of cops ,and then Dallas cops were shot ;was the emperor held responsible ?

That was different. They were liberal democrats which makes it alright.

Politics. I can understand people being critical of Trump, but it's the "holier than thou" stuff that gets old.

[Athos]

The dufus would be a zip darn fool to publicly declare he was a white nationalists and even his sycophants and nose holding supporters would abandon him. GAME OVER! Instead he uses the language and tactics and has for years that emboldens these type of racists NUTS with his thinly veiled dog whistles said from the podium, in speeches, and tweets and rallies that they hear loud and clear.

That he lumps THEM all together with dems, liberals, communists, socialists is enough evidence that he stokes the fears of us OTHERS for cover to appeal to the ones like YOU in his camp. Works rather well for sure since you use that plausible deniability to justify your support of such antics in the name of policy gains. Unless he explicitly says he is a racist white nationalist but own the nationalist part then that's okay you, but their is no difference no matter how much you try to make it so. For sure he made it easier for some to swallow his crap without gagging! You're a perfect example of that.

Perfect definition of "stochastic terrorism" - aka law enforcement's "lone wolf". In simple language, Trump communicates to these shooters who buy into his tweets and lies without Trump ever having to lose deniability. No one is fooled by Trump's crocodile tears.

I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them,

Absurd! You'll say anything no matter how far-fetched.

[talaniman]

I'm sure a lot of black nationalists thought Obama was one of them, so by your logic Obama was a BN. I just don't agree with either of those ideas.

Did they shoot up schools, and malls? White supremist shot up churches and nut jobs shot up schools but no black nationals cutting up. You're just throwing crap in the conversation to cover the dufus, or YOURSELF!

[jlisenbe]

Did they shoot up schools, and malls? White supremist shot up churches and nut jobs shot up schools but no black nationals cutting up. You're just throwing crap in the conversation to cover the dufus, or YOURSELF!

You must be hanging around Athos. Calm down a little for goodness sake.

I think you have forgotten about the riots during the Obama admin. Riots in Oakland, Pittsburg, Akron, Santa Cruz, LA, Oakland, Brooklyn, Ferguson, Chicago, and Baltimore, just to name some of them. There were 25 in total compared to only 7 in the 80's and 12 from 2000 to 2009. Do you blame those riots on fiscal conservatives? White nationalists? Obama?

I don't think Obama was anymore responsible for those riots than Trump is for mass shootings. There is no evidence worth talking about that either one is a race-based nationalist.

Might add that there have been well over 200 mass shootings in the United States just this year. Just a brief look at the descriptions sure makes it look as though that the overwhelming part were not due to white nationalists. No doubt most of them were carried out with handguns which is the case with most homicides. Relatively few are due to rifles or shotguns.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...States_in_2019

This is according to FBI crimes stats. "The weapons most likely to be used to commit murder remained relatively unchanged. Of those identified by law enforcement, handguns remained the most popular weapon used in homicides followed by knives, then hands and fists. Blunt objects, rifles, shotguns, narcotics, fire, strangulation, and asphyxiation round out the top 10 most popular murder weapons."

https://freebeacon.com/issues/fbi-mu...ficantly-2016/

[talaniman]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/2019-ma...ays-this-year/

The Gun Violence Archive says there have been 33,028 total shooting incidents in 2019 as of Sunday, resulting in 8,734 deaths and 17,308 injuries.The last time the mass shooting toll topped days of the year was 2016, which had 382 mass shootings — the most in any year since the Gun Violence Archive started keeping track. The past two years came close, with 346 mass shootings in 2017 and 340 in 2018.

[jlisenbe]

2016. Who was the pres then??

Violent crime trended upward dramatically during Obama's final two years. Should we hold him responsible?

[tomder55]

37 mass shootings during the emperor's reign .

[talaniman]

2016. Who was the pres then??

Violent crime trended upward dramatically during Obama's final two years. Should we hold him responsible?

37 mass shootings during the emperor's reign .

The dufus could always declare an emergency like he did during the invasion from the south and take care of this mess with an executive order. Problem solved tomorrow. Or today if he skips his Mickey D break!

[jlisenbe]

The dufus could always declare an emergency like he did during the invasion from the south and take care of this mess with an executive order. Problem solved tomorrow. Or today if he skips his Mickey D break!

I'm pretty sure these mass shootings are already against the law, so what kind of EO are you talking about? And if it's just that simple, why didn't Mr. Obama do it during his eight years?

[talaniman]

Don't know why Obama didn't, maybe he should of, but the dufus is the master negotiator fix it guy, isn't he? "Only I alone can fix it!"/Dufus running for prez.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...0948&FORM=VIRE

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...48&FORM=VDMCNR

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...48&FORM=VDQVAP

[jlisenbe]

Check out the other thread.