[smoothy]

The problem comes down to someone being willing to walk away either for the moment or permanently. Most people will not concede in the heat of an argument

True, and that's what makes them BOTH partially guilty in what results.

[paraclete]

True, and that's what makes them BOTH partially guilty in what results.

You are blaming the victim and justifying the indefensible, what happened to the ideal of free speech? I see it doesn't apply in your world

[smoothy]

You are blaming the victim and justifying the indefensible, what happened to the ideal of free speech? I see it doesn't apply in your world

If they instigated the incident over HOURS of screaming yelling and nagging... they aren't an innocent victim.

Claiming they are... is a disservice for those who truly are who didn't say or do anything at provoke it.

So by that logic... you scream and yell at your wife.. calling her fat, lazy and stupid... (plus dream up a few extra things or just pick little things she does that annoys you) DO that for days or weeks but don't actually touch her... and when you get your wiener hacked off in your sleep... then you are an innocent victim too?

[paraclete]

If they instigated the incident over HOURS of screaming yelling and nagging... they aren't an innocent victim.

Claiming they are... is a disservice for those who truly are who didn't say or do anything at provoke it.

So by that logic... you scream and yell at your wife.. calling her fat, lazy and stupid... (plus dream up a few extra things or just pick little things she does that annoys you) DO that for days or weeks but don't actually touch her... and when you get your wiener hacked off in your sleep... then you are an innocent victim too?

You are avoiding the obvious, violence is never acceptable. There are people who lack self control who, for whatever reason, are not in control. I don't accept a woman has the right to say anything she likes because of PMT but nor do I think she should be assaulted. Nor do I think an abusive person should be assaulted. People need to learn to seek help and remove themselves from abusive situations. You are speaking to a person who has been through the mill on this as a child and also as an adult and I can tell you violence is never an acceptable solution, or justifible. Any person who uses violence in these situations is a suitable case for treatment

[talaniman]

My point was we can find bad behavior anyplace by anyone, and call it whatever you like. I mean you holler about Muslims when there are a whole lot more other people doing bad things that have yet to be stopped or addressed... locally!

Just give it thought and hopefully you will evolve from your own fear that keeps you stuck in your own hate.

Paris (AND Beirut and Egypt) are big scary stories, sadly though not the only ones.

BREAKING NEWS

'Mastermind of Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed in anti-terror raid' | Zee News

[smoothy]

You are avoiding the obvious, violence is never acceptable. There are people who lack self control who, for whatever reason, are not in control. I don't accept a woman has the right to say anything she likes because of PMT but nor do I think she should be assaulted. Nor do I think an abusive person should be assaulted. People need to learn to seek help and remove themselves from abusive situations. You are speaking to a person who has been through the mill on this as a child and also as an adult and I can tell you violence is never an acceptable solution, or justifible. Any person who uses violence in these situations is a suitable case for treatment

And so have I... sometimes you have to stand your ground in order for it to stop. And doing that doesn't make you the bad guy.

[paraclete]

My point was we can find bad behavior anyplace by anyone, and call it whatever you like. I mean you holler about Muslims when there are a whole lot more other people doing bad things that have yet to be stopped or addressed... locally!

Just give it thought and hopefully you will evolve from your own fear that keeps you stuck in your own hate.

Paris (AND Beirut and Egypt) are big scary stories, sadly though not the only ones.


BREAKING NEWS

'Mastermind of Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed in anti-terror raid' | Zee News

I don't find Paris as scary as some just lamentable and contemptable and hate isn't the word for it. You have a presidential candidate who wants to shut down mosques and I agree that any institution where hate, as distinct from fact, is preached needs to have close attention paid to the individuals in it and that isn't confined to muslims. Right now you cannot avoid the obvious, the threat of serious mass violence eminates from the Muslims, and that threat doesn't just originate in the middle east, it has festered for a long time among individuals at a local level and its presence is not unknown but it is allowed to exist because of some stupid idea that a person should be allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want without consequence.

And so have I... sometimes you have to stand your ground in order for it to stop. And doing that doesn't make you the bad guy.

If you use violence to a resolve an issue you are a bad guy

[smoothy]

I don't find Paris as scary as some just lamentable and contemptable and hate isn't the word for it. You have a presidential candidate who wants to shut down mosques and I agree that any institution where hate, as distinct from fact, is preached needs to have close attention paid to the individuals in it and that isn't confined to muslims. Right now you cannot avoid the obvious, the threat of serious mass violence eminates from the Muslims, and that threat doesn't just originate in the middle east, it has festered for a long time among individuals at a local level and its presence is not unknown but it is allowed to exist because of some stupid idea that a person should be allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want without consequence.


If you use violence to a resolve an issue you are a bad guy

Gandhi is the only human in history that ever made that work for him. Most of the others ended up dead because of it.

And you are never the "bad guy" for defending yourself.

[paraclete]

And this is the attitude that gets everyone opposed to you, there is a difference between response to a violent attack and being the first to strike, but because of the aggressive attitude of your nation everyone thinks preemptive strikes are the way to go..

Ghandi had a point that should not be lost on a nation with Christian roots, but then he had his problems with muslims too