[tomder55]

Nothing like taking a verse out of context

Nahh ,if I was taking it out of context then I would think Ishmael a "donkey of a man " to mean he's a Democrat .


But yeah I should've used the sentence before that verse to put it in complete context :

The angel added, “I will increase your descendants so much that they will be too numerous to count.”

[Precious7]

U.S. to accept 10,000 Syrian refugees: White House

I just saw this in news.

[paraclete]

Yes the US has indicated a willingness to help, they would be a bigger help with boots on the ground to prevent the problem in the first place. The thing is that most countries are involved in tokenism because they just don't have the financial resources to deal with the millions of refugeees throughout the world. New refugees are being made faster than there are places for them. Because of worldwide jihadism refugees are not accepted at face value, they must prove who they are, a process that takes a long time if they can accomplish it at all. My own nations intake has fallen short of quotas two years running because of this problem adding to the number of refugees remaining in camps

[smoothy]

10,000 and at least half of them are Muslim extremists... a few of them are either Al Qaeda or ISIS members... and if ONE person dies as a result of letting any of them in.. their blood is on Obamas hands... but then... he's such a narcissist. He would blame it on Bush.

[paraclete]

smoothy I have heard the US is the most difficult place to be accepted as a refugee you have more chance of taking a holiday to mexico and crossing the border than to gain entry to the US as a refugee, but you are right they are likely to be muslims with a long history of suffering under war and oppression, not ideal citizens

[smoothy]

Obama will force his flunkies to wave them through... just like all the untreated disease ridden kids he send to schools all over the country despite refusals by the State governors.. and often without their knowledge.

Some of them will probably carry RPG's in without being physically searched. OR even have their backgrounds checked. Because they are his muslim brothers.

[paraclete]

Don't let rhetoric get the better of you, undoubtedly there are patriots in your public service who will do their duty and after all he is a dead duck now so his edits carry less weight. Have you noticed he didn't do a Libya on Syria after reflection of how destabilising his dictator hunt had been. We have to resign ourselves that there is no substitute for boots on the ground no matter how unpalitable this is to our respective governments

[smoothy]

Don't let rhetoric get the better of you, undoubtedly there are patriots in your public service who will do their duty and after all he is a dead duck now so his edits carry less weight. Have you noticed he didn't do a Libya on Syria after reflection of how destabilising his dictator hunt had been. We have to resign ourselves that there is no substitute for boots on the ground no matter how unpalitable this is to our respective governments

We would hope... but that's not the case under Obama....anyone that speaks up is fired.

THe fact is when those swarms of disease infected kids was spread around the country and forced into our schools. Most of the Governors of those states found out about it on the news. Because legally they DO have the right to refuse.

[paraclete]

There is such a thing as too much government and I think you suffer from it. There might have been reason for so many state and local governments once but today communications have eliminated such a need. Don't know how it works there but our states are responsible for service delivery, meaning it is difficult to bypass them. The state governments are not tame puppets. When this next wave of refugees arrive the states will be consulted, in fact I think they will be heading to the west, far from the maddening crowd and established migrant communities

[tomder55]

they would be a bigger help with boots on the ground to prevent the problem in the first place.

it should've been apparent from the day the emperor did not enforce his red line threat that he had no intention of doing any meaningful military action in the ME on his watch; regardless of the justification.

There is such a thing as too much government and I think you suffer from it.

finally you admit it!

[paraclete]

Tom I have never said that all wisdom belongs with government and in some places there is certainly too much government, however we elect politicians to get a job done, sometimes we give them the resources to do it sometimes we don't. This expectation that government can do everything and yet the population not be taxed is ridiculous. You expect that capitalism can do what government cannot, but it is more the case that government must do what capitalism will not

[smoothy]

Germany finally says enough is enough and reinstitutes border controls..

Germany reinstates border controls over refugee surge

That's what Everyone should do...send them all back to Muslim countries...let them take care of their own.

[paraclete]

Hi Smoothy I agree, these people have no respect, the arrogance that they think they can just walk in and dictate where they will live astounds me. Germany created the situation through lax laws but still enough is enough. We had the same situation here with the boats and had to stop it, if it hadn't been for the water crossing we would have had the same problem years ago. The idea of ads in the source country works, you have to show up the lies the people smugglers are telling. Europe will learn that the only way to deal with these problems is in the country of origin. Stop the war and the problem will go away in time. The UNHCR should spend more time dealing with the cause of the problem and repatriating the refugees rather than trying to push the problem to others. We have seen it ourselves when you send these people where they don't want to go they will opt for repatriation. To me that means things can't be that bad where they came from. If the boats were pushed back to Turkey, I wounder what Turkey would do?

They won't look after their own because when it comes down to it the muslim countries are in the arid part of the world, they cannot accommodate more people but they have the financial resources to do more, let them build some cities for these people instead of architectural wonders in the Gulf

[smoothy]

I agree.. Germany and the rest of Europe created this environment... so they are not without blame for causing it in the first place.

[Wondergirl]

I agree.. Germany and the rest of Europe created this environment... so they are not without blame for causing it in the first place.

Is everyone "migrating" because of the war(s)? I've gotten the impression at least some are just wanting a better life, better jobs, better medical care. The majority of these "migrants" is males between 18-35 or so. A front-page birds-eye photo showed a long column of males. I couldn't find children or women in the photo. Of course, it's the grandmothers and pregnant women and people in wheelchairs and crying children that we see on TV. An article in today's paper told of many youngish guys who are using social media, cellphones, GPS, etc. to track the weather conditions, find trustworthy smugglers, reserve seats on buses, etc.

[smoothy]

Prime age and gender for Jihadi Terrorists...

There isn't enough work for Europeans that belong there... the unemployment rate for under 30 year olds is sky high everywhere there. And its really high by our standards for the over 30 crowd too.

[paraclete]

Germany has a high participation rate but why don't they just import workers from the eastern EU states where there is unemployment rather than throwing the door open to refugees. No doubt there will be jihadists who will take advantage of the open borders. The influx of refugees just makes the unemployment issue harder for all the EU countries

[paraclete]

We have seen the debacle on the Hungarian border, we have seen the debacle on the Croatian border, we have seen the debacle on the Slovakian border and the thought comes is this the same people shunting from one place to another who haven't got the message yet. Borders exist for a reason, this isn't a world village with one world government. We are yet to hear about conditions in Germany or Italy but coping with thousands of new arrivals... There are some good news stories in this but they are few. One gets resettled while thousands stand in the rain. Meanwhile the powers, for want of a better name, are coming to the conclusion that the Assard they know is a better option. Could Putin be right after all, perish the thought, but he sees that to end this there has to be more happening at the sharp end than training a few rag tag terrorists, there is no Taliban to turn to in Syria

[tomder55]

Putin is looking out for Russian national interests . He sees a weakness because of the emperor's retreat and is trying to re-assert Russia'a influence that they lost when Sadat kicked them out of Egypt. The Assads were his remaining ally ;and yes I give him credit for standing by his ally . That's more than the emperor has done.
Look around the region and all you find are the discarded remains of American allies . The Israels ...stabbed in the back ... the Kurds ...stabbed in the back .The Sunni States ....stabbed in the back . The Anbar Sunnis in Iraq ...stabbed in the back. Why would any of them trust us ? The emperor wonders why he can't find a "Free Syrian Army " ($500 million spent and only 5 FSA fighters remain)? Bin Laden called it the respect for the strong horse . We have not acted like one .

The emperor wants a Shia axis hegemon in the region . That is why he pushed so hard for the nuke deal with the 12ers in Tehran . Putin is just maneuvering to fill the vacuum .
Next week Putin will bring this gambit to the UN . The Euroweenies will gladly go along with it because they will believe that Russian intervention will begin to stem the flow of refugees. The quid pro quo will be European acceptance of Novorossiya in Ukraine . What Putin won't mention is how many of those refugees left Syria escaping the Assad butchery.

Bet Putin is quaking in his boots now !

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...679_story.html


Fanning will be the perfect enforcer of all the emperor's pink lines in the sand .

[paraclete]

Bet Putin is quaking in his boots now !

He doesn't look like a scared bunny to me, I would say he recognises that should Europe close its borders those muslims will head north. Putin will demonstrate Russian capability, he has forgotten the lesson of Afghanistan, it is one thing to be an arms supplier, quite another to be a mercenary. With US aircraft in the air he has the opportunity to demonstrate Russian superiority, Personally I don't get all the argy bargy, let the arabs settle the problem in their traditional way, they will tire of it

By the way have you noted that lines in the sand don't last?