[paraclete]

Tom bless you, you do care after all, but then you have a long history of filling your country with unwanted people and of course, rejecting many. Look I do hope you fill your country with muslims then you will understand the problem, so how about you organise an flotilla of small boats to ferry them across the atlantic once Germany decides it has made a mistake

[tomder55]

you have a long history of filling your country with unwanted people

the trick is to fill the country with freedom loving industrious people who share the values of America. We took in over a million Vietnamese and have had no issues.

[paraclete]

I don't think you will get the same bargain with Syrians, but try anyway

[tomder55]

I don't think you will get the same bargain with Syrians, but try anyway

I would restrict it to Christians, Yazidis ,and Kurds being persecuted . But that's just me .

[talaniman]

How would you know who is who?

[paraclete]

Tal you simply give the Muslim greating, a muslim is bound to reply as to a Christian well I don't think a muslim can testify to the saving grace of Jesus Christ, as for kurds they are not arabs so a little racial profiling may do the trick unless it is of course that americans are unskilled in racial profiling, such as asking to speak to muhhamed. It's easy anyone named muhammed or ali to the back of the queue

It seems that persecuted minorities are in demand, read Christians, with Australia saying priority will be give to these groups, which puts the sunni and shiites to the end of the queue and it you are similar mind then the muslims will be left to fight with each other, which I think is the current strategy. I think we have all gotten to the point where there must be true affinity with migrant groups for it to work, otherwise we are just importing the old arguments, personally I couldn't care less whether Ali is the annointed first imam or last iman or cousin of mudhatmad or not

[talaniman]

You would make a great ambassador tying yourself in knots to discriminate using your own tired notions as a starting point to unravel this logistics nightmare. An interesting twist you present on the old "If you're white you're right; if you're brown stick around; but if you're black get back!".

For sure you have to treat the millions running from war better than cattle, and feed and shelter them as a start to a bigger process, be they Christian, Arab, or whatever.

[paraclete]

For sure you have to treat the millions running from war better than cattle, and feed and shelter them as a start to a bigger process, be they Christian, Arab, or whatever.

Have you seen the footage? They have been behaving like cattle, blocking roads and showing no respect. Who invades someoneelse's country and is allowed to get away with it. These people have come from safe havens, as you can find with the parent of the small child who was lost, they are economic migrants. I can understand their motivations. They are already saying this will change Germany, on wonders how long before anti semitism rises in Germany again

[paraclete]

Who will the EU reject? Right now there is a wave of euphoria as Germany and France undertake to accept large number of refugees. However the attitude of some in Europe is already evident. Greece is staggering under the weight of migrants in places like Lesbos. Footage of a Hungarian abusing migrants has emerged. When the dust clears and there are actually hundreds of thousands of migrants to be accommodated, fed and employed who will be allowed to stay? The disruption in parts of Europe must already be staggering. The lesson of France with its millions of Muslims as an underclass has not been learned. The European President is looking to enforce quotas on EU countries even though the migrants look only to Germany, so what will happen when the migrants are forced to go to places they didn't intend? How will they identify the Daesh infiltrators?

Economic migrants will be returned just as they are now. Australia says it will accept persecuted minorities from the middle east, so will Britain but that means those who are already in Europe won't be considered for those places, proving once again it doesn't pay to listern to the people smugglers and jump the queue. Not all of these people are Syrian although many will claim they are

Surely we have reach the time when there should be less talk and more action starting with the removal of the Assard regime and then an all out assault on Daesh

[talaniman]

You are 5 years to late Clete. One also wonders why those immigrants are running away from the enemy instead of fighting. Surely even ISIS could not withstand the millions who ran at them instead of away from them.

Should have let Obama blow Assad away when he had his hand on the trigger.

[tomder55]

Should have let Obama blow Assad away when he had his hand on the trigger.

Who stopped him ? He drew a red line in the sand and then backed off when Vladdy the Conquerer told him to.

[cdad]

the trick is to fill the country with freedom loving industrious people who share the values of America. We took in over a million Vietnamese and have had no issues.

I wouldnt say no issues. There was a lot of background noise and rumblings that were going on. Many people didnt like the fact that they received preffered status in getting jobs and those jobs were at the cost of American ones. Also how supplemented they were. Integration wasnt as smooth on the homefront either as many that came over considered the family dog or cat a delicacy. It made for odd times and a lot of missing animals.

[paraclete]

You make an interesting point Tal but arabs have proven they are better at running away than fighting, no, these people won't resist to the point of death, those who will are already fighting, but they also know because they have been there that Turkey is involved in this, so why would they fight just to give the country to Turkey. I expect they have had enough of the double game being played here.

The Syrian crisis was five years ago, it has now become the european crisis and the arab spring has become the european winter

[paraclete]

Just echoing a thought or two doing the rounds on FacebooK

If you look at the pictures of war in Iraq and Syria you observe very low tech transport and large numbers of women and children, if you observe the pictures of migrants in Europe you observe large numbers of men and high tech transport. What is wrong with these pictures? Well usually in a war we leave the women and children in a safe place and go to war but today the Syrians leave the women and children in a war zone and go to a safe place. I think that Europe should enlist and send every single man back to fight in their own country. This would quickly end the war and the flow of migrants

[tomder55]

I wouldnt say no issues. There was a lot of background noise and rumblings that were going on. Many people didnt like the fact that they received preffered status in getting jobs and those jobs were at the cost of American ones. Also how supplemented they were. Integration wasnt as smooth on the homefront either as many that came over considered the family dog or cat a delicacy. It made for odd times and a lot of missing animals.

ok short term issue. A million refugees were integrated . I am not aware of any long term issue the like we will get with Muslim enclaves inside the country who refuse assimilation for religious reasons .

[tomder55]

You make an interesting point Tal but arabs have proven they are better at running away than fighting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk


This was a complete victory for the Arab forces . But there was a moment when they fell into retreat ....here is the account "

Despite stiff resistance, the warriors of Yazid on the left flank finally fell back to their camps and for a moment Vahan's plan appeared to be succeeding. The centre of the Muslim army was pinned down and its flanks had been pushed back. However, neither flank had broken, though their morale was severely damaged. The retreating Muslim army was met by the ferocious Arab women in the camps. Led by Hind, the Muslim women dismantled their tents and armed with tent poles charged at their husbands and fellow men singing an improvised song from the Battle of Uhud that then had been directed against the Muslims.

O you who run from a constant woman
Who has both beauty and virtue;
And leave her to the infidel,
The hated and evil infidel,To possess, disgrace and ruin.

This boiled the blood of the retreating Muslims so much that they returned to the battlefield.

[talaniman]

Frustration is understandable Tom when the ones you want assimilated don't want to be, but FORCING them will only bring more resistance. Any expectations of Complete Assimilation is unrealistic at best.

@Clete, be nice if the able bodied young men among the migrating throngs could be trained to HELP defend their homeland in exchange for the security, and welfare of their families and loved ones in their safe haven destinations.

My count comes to more than a million man count. More if you include the ones from Joudan and Lebanon and other places in the ME.

[paraclete]

ok short term issue. A million refugees were integrated . I am not aware of any long term issue the like we will get with Muslim enclaves inside the country who refuse assimilation for religious reasons .

Take a look a France Tom a lot of no go areas there

Frustration is understandable Tom when the ones you want assimilated don't want to be, but FORCING them will only bring more resistance. Any expectations of Complete Assimilation is unrealistic at best.

@Clete, be nice if the able bodied young men among the migrating throngs could be trained to HELP defend their homeland in exchange for the security, and welfare of their families and loved ones in their safe haven destinations.

My count comes to more than a million man count. More if you include the ones from Joudan and Lebanon and other places in the ME.

Tal the point is if they would fight the war would have over long ago, like all wars we can echo churchills words "never... have so many owed so much to so few"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yarmouk


This was a complete victory for the Arab forces . But there was a moment when they fell into retreat ....here is the account "

Perhaps they should train the women

[tomder55]

Take a look a France Tom a lot of no go areas there

The French don't give them the option to assimilate . That is true of most of the continent . But there is a more fundamental problem with Europe. The Europeans have a negative replacement rate and the only place they can turn for population is parts of the world where the people don't want to become European in any meaningful sense .

The angel of the Lord also said to her:“You are now pregnant
and you will give birth to a son.
You shall name him Ishmael,
for the Lord has heard of your misery.

He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
towardall his brothers.” Gen 16:11-12

The continent will be over-whelmed and conquered .

[paraclete]

Nothing like taking a verse out of context