[talaniman]

You just keep thinking Iran is a stabilizing factor in the ME. They are not and have sponsored Assad in Syria, and Hezbollah for many years.

Iran-backed Hezbollah warns it may intervene in Syria war - World News

Try and keep up with the bad guys Clete.

[paraclete]

You misunderstand me tal Iran doesn't want to engage in a war or have a war on its doorstep, and yes they may assist shiite groups, such as Hamas or Hezbollah. I see that no different than the US arming groups opposed to Assard, and your whinning as the pot calling the kettle black. There are proxy wars being carried on in the middle east. If Hezbollah gets more involved than it already is it might get its arse kicked in the frey. Bahrain has named them as a group that should be dealt with signalling a widening of the conflict, so the US would be wise to question the agendas of those who joined the coalition. The reality is stability in Syria is in everyone's interest even if it means Assard stays for a short time. The US needs to learn from its experience in Iraq, regime change doesn't mean better, just a different tyrant

[talaniman]

There were terrorists in the world before we went to Iraq, and the middle east has been at war before your island got "civilized". You kill me when you whine so much what the US needs to learn, when you have so much to learn yourself. Doesn't matter who the government is. You have to deal with whatever government is there.

Now go sell China some more dirt to choke on.

[tomder55]

and neutralize support for Assad in Syria from Iran, who is shaking in their boots over Obama's precision bombing in Syria.

nahh ,the emperor called Assad and asked his permission before the attacks . Even our arming the so called FSA will backfire if our goal is to use them as ground forces against the Islamic State . The FSA will instead turn their America arms on the Assad regime.
Iran and Russia's ally will have his a$$ pulled out of the fire by this . And while all this is happening ,the centrifuges still whirl away making the enriched uranium needed for the 12ers to join the nuclear club.

[tomder55]

If Hezbollah gets more involved than it already is it might get its arse kicked in the frey.

it already is .... that is why they didn't harass Israel's northern border during the latest Hamas war.

so the US would be wise to question the agendas of those who joined the coalition.

indeed .

The US needs to learn from its experience in Iraq, regime change doesn't mean better, just a different tyrant

the lesson to learn is that you can't declare a war over ....the other side has a say in it too . the lesson to learn is that you withdraw before the job is over then ugly consequences occur .

[talaniman]

Congress could always come back, and exercise its duty under the constitution, which they ran from when they were here. They have been running from this issue for two freakin' years now.

[paraclete]

Forget your congress tal they are a spent force in this exercise, do you know what consensus means well I hear that it exists for this exercise, all someone has to do is shout and they aren't opposed to war.

There were terrorists in the world before we went to Iraq, and the middle east has been at war before your island got "civilized". You kill me when you whine so much what the US needs to learn, when you have so much to learn yourself. Doesn't matter who the government is. You have to deal with whatever government is there.

Now go sell China some more dirt to choke on.

Yes terrorists have existed for a long time with many masks, terrorists started WWI and the imperfect redistribution of power in the middle east set the scene for what we have today. You seem to think that just because we are new on the scene we shouldn't call you out on your meddling. The fact is we have populations who have been displaced by wars in the Middle East and they may want to start them up here, the lebanese have been a troublesome population ever since they have been here. "you have deal with wahteever government there is" your words, so stop trying to depose Assard and support stopping the war in Syria, not fueling it by supporting dissidents and terrorists. As to my island being "civilised" what civilisation there is is being eroded but it far more civilised than that haven of war mongering you call Washington. This is a peaceful place, not given to war, and we will trade with whom ever we chose without bothering to ask your permission

[tomder55]

Congress could always come back, and exercise its duty under the constitution, which they ran from when they were here. They have been running from this issue for two freakin' years now

what is your obsession with Congress ? They did exactly what you guys dream they will do.....pass bills in support of the emperor without any debate . Did the Bush war appropriations ever get passed without debate and a whole bunch of quid pro quo pork added to them ?

[talaniman]

Probably the same obsession you guys have with repealing the ACA, impeaching the prez, and investigating Benghazi. Then run from a debate and vote on war.

[tomder55]

although it is not a requirement ,traditionally Presidents have gone before Congress to ask for a war declaration or resolution. Why doesn't the emperor ?

Why doesn't he call it a war ? Why does he go out of his way to make the false claim that he has AQ on the run when all the various groups he is bombing are AQ or offshoots ? Why is he abandoning the "war of necessity " ,after he already prematurely abandoned the "war of choice " ? Why is the nobel peace prize recipient suddenly going to modernize our nuclear arsenal when in the past he was for disarming ? Could it be that he is finally beginning to realize that he was just plain wrong about everything ?

[paraclete]

Realities; Tom, Russia is resurgent, and AQ far from beaten, militant Islam has mutated into a virilent disease. A wise man changes tack when the wind shifts

[tomder55]

we shot close to 50 Tomahawk cruise missiles since the air war has begun anew . The emperor's defense budget for next year calls for the purchase of 100 . Guess after we shoot our load in the Levant ,the emperor's arsenal will be "smart diplomacy " .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/c...islamic-state/

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...rcraft-Weapons

[paraclete]

Tom you have to have a excuse to use up all that old ordinance, it helps the local economy and at last the F22 had some combat proving. Obama will be able to buy as many Tomahawks as he needs but they are a blunt instrument, more useful when you have a formal structure to target.. I like the pictures of the attack on the car park, a bit hit and miss, they should have used a Tomahawk with a tactical nuke, that would have got ISIS attention. It will be interesting to see if air strikes make any difference in the battle for Korbani

If you are going to have a spare aircraft carrier you should think of your allies

[tomder55]

and at last the F22 had some combat proving

it's a kick a$$ jet .Much better than the F35 boondoggle .

I like the pictures of the attack on the car park, a bit hit and miss, they should have used a Tomahawk with a tactical nuke, that would have got ISIS attention

I like the pix of one going through the 4th floor window of an empty building . (don't forget ;we warned them before the attack commenced ) .

What we are doing is what the Israelis call "mowing the lawn" .The emperor calls it "degrading ISIL" .I prefer the Scipio Aemilianus solution .

[paraclete]

So you are in favour of boots on the ground hand to hand street fighting and bulldozing the city, my solution is simpler, the Japanese solution isn't used often enough but it converts a radical to a believer in peace very quickly

[tomder55]

you mean as in General Curtis Lemay's solution ? One rains fire from the sky and did not accomplish his goals until nukes were used. The other salts the earth (or in General Sherman's case ;cuts a swath of destruction that takes years to repair ) . Mowing the lawn means you have to go back and fight another day. Nobody thinks that nukes are an option ,or that a conventional air campaign alone can accomplish a serious military mission.

[talaniman]

Soften them up, while you rally the troops. Let the armchair generals holler. The real generals can recommend, but the CIC, gives the orders.

[paraclete]

The CIC is a pu$$y, this group understands only one language, and to get the job done requires very strong measures, not this tell them I'm going to bomb them crap.

[tomder55]

soften them up lol . We send million dollar Tomahawks to air burst over a cell tower so it won't destroy a building . They soften us up by decapitation with a rusty dull knife.

[talaniman]

Like I said let the armchair generals holler.