[NeedKarma]

So you omitted his condemning of them selling girls off to be sex slaves, I guess it's because you agree with that.

[paraclete]

good job . When the US broke up terror plots during the Presidency of GW Bush ,the lefties used to dismiss the plot as insignificant . I will not be so cynical . This proves that the Islamic State is the international threat we think they are .

yes Tom we got this one right and guess what, the Muslims are protesting about government action, that makes them complicit, I think we should start the deportations now, rather than wait until later, interestingly the guy at the head of the beheading plot was an Afghan refugee raised here not some recent blowin, which clearly demonstrates that these terrorists can be radicalised as children, they don't need to come from muslim countries as adults. We have an ad doing the rounds on TV depicting an Australian saying he doesn't think the muslims fit Australian values with a black muslim having the hide to say what is an Australian, well I can tell you he is not somali nor is he nigerian

[paraclete]

ISIS has lifted the game to a kill order on infidels, specifically americans, french, australians and canadians, because so many nations oppose them there will be no place on Earth where anyone is safe from the muslim menace and no place on Earth where they are safe, this rhetoric that boots on the ground aren't necessary to bring a swith end to this is nonsense must give way to a measured swift response which is more than a air war

[tomder55]

The emperor likens himself to Lincoln. But in this case there is a difference. Lincoln spent most of the war looking for Generals willing to fight it . In this case ,the Joint Chiefs and many former Generals are advising him that to defeat the Islamic State ,"boots on the ground " ,and expanding the geography into Syria is necessary . Even former Obama Def Secs Leon Panetta and Bill Gates came out in support of that yesterday . Panetta also said the the reason the Islamic State rose is because we pulled out of Iraq too quickly .

[talaniman]

I don't see congress declaring war, or authorizing troops, Tom. Matter of fact, the congress ran like hell for another vacation before the election.

[tomder55]

I did not hear the emperor calling for a declaration. He thinks (and I agree with him) that AUMF covers this .The ironic thing is that he wanted AUMF repealed .

[talaniman]

Doesn't matter Tom, congress wouldn't do anything any way. They don't need a presidential directive for congressional actions. They didn't to sue for repeals or start investigations, and could debate and draft legislation when they so choose. They didn't they took a pass at everything until after the election.

[tomder55]

Doesn't matter Tom, congress wouldn't do anything any way

They did EXACTLY what the emperor requested before they left .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/19/wo...bate.html?_r=0

You do realize that the 'do nothing Congress ' charge is beating a dead horse .It has no legs because it is and always was BS. It will not help the Dems in their coming defeat in November .

[talaniman]

See ya Nov. 4th then.

[tomder55]

btw ,the Senate didn't even have any debate on the issue. They just added $ to the CR . to fund the emperor's request.

[talaniman]

To busy trying to get out of Dodge.

[tomder55]

The "allies " bombed Raqqa , Syria ,the Islamic state stronghold last night . The allies mentions were UAE Qatar and Bahrain. The only air power I can identify were American Predators,Cruise Missiles launched from American ships. I have seen no reports of how the "allies" contributed .
The emperor has taken heat from his critis ,and his own allies in the Democrat Party (including 2 former Def Secs),and the compliant press because he has not supported the Kurds were were under siege in Syria to date .
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...527_story.html

[tomder55]

BTW ;we will have Baracklock today as the emperor comes into town to speak to the UN about the weather . It got me thinking ........what would've happened if President Bush attacked Syria without at least attempting to get a UN Resolution first ? Imagine the thousands of Code Pinks and their kindred converging on NYC to have a mass anti-war protest .

[paraclete]

You just have your own little protest there Tom at least this time what is done isn't based on a lie, but truly attacking an Al Qaeda offshoot, the same people you were supposed to have dealt with in Iraq in the surge, your mistakes are coming back to haunt you and I think this time ISIS might have seen you coming

[talaniman]

I think the message is very clear Tom, they will and can be attacked in Syria. For now that's enough of a first step, while making a case for more. We have history as a good guide that mass troop invasions by us is a short term short sighted temporary fix with a high price of blood and treasure we cannot afford that fixes nothing.

Its not just a war of bombs, planes, and troops, Tom, but more about getting the rest of the middle east on the same page on MANY fronts. Ignoring the regional politics, and policy, is rather foolish in the long term. While the congress of the US continues to dither on yet another vacation before an election. Let not forget that ISIL wasn't the ONLY target of these strikes in Syria. A global threat requires a global solution, not just American troops in ONE country.

[tomder55]

the same people you were supposed to have dealt with in Iraq in the surge

and so we did until the emperor decided to pull defeat from the jaws of victory .

Let not forget that ISIL wasn't the ONLY target of these strikes in Syria.

besides the Islamic State and the civilians in Raqqa ,who else did we attack ? I could argue that we are supporting Assad in these attacks ;but unfortunately ,our taking out the Islamic State is imperative ;with or without our so called allies .

[J_9]

I'm very nervous about this as my son is in Kandahar right now and my sister lives in Dubai UAE.

[tomder55]

ok just heard that the attacks were primarily against the Khorasan Group ;which is an AQ linked group that recruits westerners . James Clapper warned about them last week. We are also claiming to have inflicted casualties on the al-Nusra front ....which is another AQ off shoot almost as brutal as the Islamic state ;but also battles the Islamic State in Syria .

[talaniman]

On another front they are trying to stop the flow of bootleg oil to Turkey and neutralize support for Assad in Syria from Iran, who is shaking in their boots over Obama's precision bombing in Syria.

[paraclete]

I don't think Iran has anything to fear, they may be sponsors of some of these groups but they will help to stabilise Iraq. With so many good targets presenting, the US may as well get whoever they can get in their sights and not waste all that good intelligence, but there is a need not to telegraph the moves as may have been done

On another note terrorists are everywhere and we should not forget it, Melbourne police shot dead an IS sympathiser who threated the Prime Minister