[talaniman]

The costs. That's always been the issue for many. Some more than others.

[smoothy]

The costs are only higher for those with out of control libidos... Like having a car... if you want one, expect to pay all the costs associated... or buy a bus pass.

[talaniman]

Concerned about Cost?

The costs are paid for by somebody, one way or another. Accidents happen.

[Catsmine]

The costs are paid for by somebody, one way or another. Accidents happen.

Coitus by accident? In an active and even kinky adulthood, I have never gotten laid by accident, nor have I ever heard of it happening. Having sex through ignorance, yes, in which case birth control is never used - accident, no.

[smoothy]

Wanking or diddling is free...

Anything else the parties playing are responsible for paying the costs. If they can't afford a condom... how are they going to afford their next meal?

[talaniman]

Ignorance may be no excuse, but accidents happen, so do mistakes. Us humans are subject to strong intense feelings of fear and lust, and have accidents, and make mistakes often with consequences, as a result.

If we were perfect there would be no debate about any of our actions. SCOTUS is made up of humans and as well intentioned as humans are, there can be accidents, mistakes, and unwanted consequences.

[smoothy]

And its every persons responsibility to deal with it or keep their pants on.

People are expected to control themselves when they are subject to strong intense feelings when they need to beat the crap out of another person that did them wrong or even kill them (and that is a far stronger urge to suppress in some circumstances), or they want that thing they can't afford to pay for...

Yet they they don't expect to get a free ride on those either.

[speechlesstx]

The costs? You mean the thousands of dollars it cost Sandra Fluke, who didn’t know you could get it (and still can) for $9 down the street? What is it with you libs that you can’t hold anyone (except Bush, Cheney, Republicans in general) accountable for themselves? Nobody owes women free contraceptives.

And I repeat, contraception usage was “virtually universal” before the mandate, so cost didn’t bother them before.

[smoothy]

The slut extraordinaire Sandra Fluke was in a school that cost $40,000 a year to attend (WITHOUT room and board or books)... and yet she couldn't afford protection for her weekend gangbangs? THat was her problem... she could afford it.

[talaniman]

First of all your claim that it cost $9 down the street (Target Pharmacy) was for insurance bearers with a prescription from a doctor. And second universal availability is DIRECTLY tied to COSTS.

No doctor, no insurance, no availability unless you got enough loot.

[speechlesstx]

Um, no. That’s the prescription price, period. And as I said, HL only challenged emergency contraception, sold over the counter in generic form with no age restrictions. And again, contraception usage was “virtually universal” before the mandate, which makes it a cure in search of a disease. You’re batting zero on arguments today, Tal.

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[talaniman]

You need a prescription for all oral contraceptives at WalMart (or anywhere else), don't believe me, call and ask.

You are sorely misinformed of the facts. Everything on your list requires a prescription!!

[Catsmine]

Us humans are subject to strong intense feelings of fear and lust, and have accidents, and make mistakes often with consequences, as a result.

Are you arguing that You should have to pay for my mistakes? Wonderful! I'll get an itemized list up this weekend.

[smoothy]

Are you arguing that You should have to pay for my mistakes? Wonderful! I'll get an itemized list up this weekend.

I'll make one up too... I'm sure I can find lots of stuff to put on it.

[earl237]

The Hobby Lobby decision shows that birth control should be available over the counter without a prescription, then religious busybodies wouldn't be able to force their stupid views on people.

[smoothy]

Condoms are already... there would be far fewer cases of Herpes, HPV, and AIDS if they would take the time to use them.

Which reading the many, MANY posts here... apparently even if they had the Pill, they can't be bothered to take them every day... takes too much time apparently... much less waste any of their precious time putting on condoms... particularly since most of them will be done 3 or 4 minutes later if it takes them that long.

[talaniman]

Such decisions as contraception should be guided by a doctor for proper safe use. Not religious busybodies.

[smoothy]

Condoms don't need a doctors guidance... but then... judging by the "am I pregnant" threads, maybe someone should explain to them somehow they don't work if you put them on your finger, or leave them in your pocket. Apparently a lot of them aren't intelligent enough to figure it out themselves.

[talaniman]

As in the US many year ago, some were/are NOT as educated as others on the facts of human sexuality a they should be. Some here still have not evolved or been informed of the facts.

[DoulaLC]

Always interesting to read the debates... much to learn about the people involved, their opinions, views, beliefs, etc, as well as the array of news, or sometimes not so much news, pieces often presented to support a view.

I did just call Walmart to find out... $9 for birth control pills, with or without insurance.

Having read similar debates on other sites, I know one item that comes up is the question of other uses for birth control pills besides contraception, such as regulating periods or relieving extremely painful periods... important to note that regular birth control pills were not in question, not to mention that there are well known supplements that can also be used for those situations, with fewer side effects as well.

Other concerns were cases of rape, broken condoms, missed birth control pills, or getting caught up in the heat of the moment and using nothing. One solution would be that specific doses of regular birth control pills (varies depending on the brand) can also be used as emergency contraception.

There are many hot topics... where the decisions made, or not made, will make some people happy, while angering others. At least in this situation, there are ample options for those who were not happy with the decision.