[smoothy]

I guess you forget the droughts, mudslides, tornadoes, and storms, fires, and floods. Mostly volunteers who have to eat, from all parts of the country.

And what government agency stops those from happening exactly? Its clear they aren't doing their jobs if they still happen.

You are aware the first responders are local and state agencies... NOT the Federal government.

[talaniman]

Dude a first responder is on the scene after emergencies happen. You can't stop a nut with a gun or a weather disaster, but you can help the victims. Its not any ones job to stop stuff from happening. No city or state has the resources for that but the feds do and that's the first one that's called after stuff happens.

What you think volunteers buy trucks and water for victims of that chemical spill in West Virginia? Think again.

[Catsmine]

Dude a first responder is on the scene after emergencies happen. You can't stop a nut with a gun or a weather disaster, but you can help the victims.

There are no Federal first responders outside the military. I include the Coast Guard as military. All first responders are local employees, albeit not necessarily from the locality of the emergency. The only Federal employees to respond to emergencies are from FEMA, the Federal Emergency MANAGEMENT Agency, whose sole job is to co-ordinate volunteers and "borrowed" first responders.

[smoothy]

Dude a first responder is on the scene after emergencies happen. You can't stop a nut with a gun or a weather disaster, but you can help the victims. Its not any ones job to stop stuff from happening. No city or state has the resources for that but the feds do and that's the first one that's called after stuff happens.

What you think volunteers buy trucks and water for victims of that chemical spill in West Virginia? Think again.

Again... the FIRST responders are ALWAYS the local police and fire department... ALWAYS, none of them paid for by the Federal Government. NOT some idiot in the Federal government that got their job because they knew someone that owed them a favor. The Federal government are always Johnny-come-lately on the scene.

[smoothy]

There are no Federal first responders outside the military. I include the Coast Guard as military. All first responders are local employees, albeit not necessarily from the locality of the emergency. The only Federal employees to respond to emergencies are from FEMA, the Federal Emergency MANAGEMENT Agency, whose sole job is to co-ordinate volunteers and "borrowed" first responders.

And people would be shocked to find out that is not FEMA's primary responsibility. Its something completely unrelated that actually is. I know what it is... but does anyone else here know what it is.

[tomder55]

The squatter will get his under the process of the law

If you call Bundy a squatter for a dispute involving grazing fees ,what do you call Warren Buffett ,who owes a $billion in back taxes ?
Why doesn't the government assault Berkshire Hathaway ?

[Catsmine]

If you call Bundy a squatter for a dispute involving grazing fees ,what do you call Warren Buffett ,who owes a $billion in back taxes ?
Why doesn't the government assault Berkshire Hathaway ?

Or MSNBC, where Sharpton owes almost $2 million.

[paraclete]

all get dealt with in due course, this time it was Bundy, an easy target, but persistence pays off

[talaniman]

The way I figure it, soon Bundy must sell his cows to someone, an the feds will get their money. He could have let the feds take the cows and sell them at their expense and get a few bucks back but NOOO, he had to DEMAND their return and now he pays to take them to market, and still no profit the dufus.

Smart people mitigate their losses by cutting a deal they can live with but this hard head coot rather make face time for TV in a lost cause. I have been trying to find the local Cattleman's Association supporting him, which if they don't is telling despite the out of towners with guns, Alex Jones, and Shaun Hannity. Oh wait The CA has issued a statement.

Nevada Cattlemen comment on Bundy dispute

Nevada Cattlemen's Association (NCA) works hard to change regulations detrimental to the sound management of public lands in a lawful manner and supports the concept of multiple uses on federally managed lands and encourages members of the livestock industry to abide by regulations governing federal lands.
Furthermore, Nevada Cattlemen's Association supports effective range management through collaboration with resource management agencies and interested parties to achieve rangeland management goals for economically viable ranch operations and the conservation of wildlife species.
With the above stated this case was reviewed by a federal judge and a decision was rendered to remove the cattle. Nevada Cattlemen's Association does not feel it is our place to interfere in the process of adjudication in this matter. Additionally, NCA believes the matter is between Mr. Bundy and the Federal Courts.
We regret that this entire situation was not avoided through more local government involvement and better implementation of federal regulations, laws, and court decisions. While we cannot advocate operating outside the law to solve problems, we also sympathize with Mr. Bundy's dilemma. With good faith negotiations from both sides, we believe a result can be achieved which recognizes the balance that must be struck between private property rights and resource sustainability.

In light of this statement, I would have more sympathy if he had acted more reasonably within the law, but since he didn't, I don't.

Nevada Squatter Cliven Bundy Says His Battle for Freedom May Escalate into the Next Ruby Ridge | All Things Crime Blog

I guess he didn't want to pay his CA dues either,

Range war controversy | WLJ Online

Bundy is not a member of the NCA, which has more than 560 dues-paying members in Nevada. Torrell said the dispute has been triggered by the Endangered Species Act and listing a desert tortoise as endangered. “Public lands grazing always has been contentious and always will be, but you can't change laws by breaking laws.”

The NCA statement stressed the association “supports effective range management through collaboration with resource management agencies and interested parties to achieve rangeland management goals for economically viable ranch operations and the conservation of wildlife species.”

The NCA noted that a federal judge reviewed the Bundy case and authorized the U.S. government to impound Bundy's cattle, enjoining them from trespassing on federal land.

Well the Bundy's can sing "I fought the law, and the law won" all the way to the poor house.

[smoothy]

Wait until Obamas goon squad comes after you and yours Tal... its just a matter of time... they won't be happy until Stalin looks like a better alternative. Putin already looks good compared to Obama.

[talaniman]

Stop scaring yourself and enjoy the ride. I survived Reagan, Nixon, and two Bush's. You can make it through Obama. Putin will give you asylum if you ask him. You and Snowden can trade secrets.

[tomder55]

Ironically ,the desert tortoise thrive where cattle graze. Them cow pies are a delicacy .
RANGE magazine

[paraclete]

yeh but they don't do so well with solar farms

[tomder55]

correct ,tortoise and birds get fried near solar farms ;and birds die by the thousands near windmill farms.
This was never about desert tortoise. The government just culled thousands of them ... a strange way to treat an endangered species.

[paraclete]

well I seem to remember they culled another endangered species in roughly the same region

[Catsmine]

This little interview seems appropriate:

Judge Napolitano Explains How the Government Snatched 'Defeat Out of the Jaws of Victory' on Nevada Rancher Case | TheBlaze.com

“The problem here is that the federal government — as is typical when it wins its case — has overplayed its hand and has completely turned the dynamics in which it won, into a case in which it's probably going to lose, because of the manner in which it's enforcing its victory,”

[paraclete]

you are saying brute force doesn't work

[Catsmine]

you are saying brute force doesn't work

It worked quite well at Mt. Carmel 21 years ago yesterday. I'm saying the SHOW of force doesn't work unless you're willing to pull the trigger and massacre your own citizens.

[talaniman]

It worked quite well at Mt. Carmel 21 years ago yesterday. I'm saying the SHOW of force doesn't work unless you're willing to pull the trigger and massacre your own citizens.

Are you going to make us look that up to get your point?

[smoothy]

Nevada Assemblywoman Exposes the Truth About the Bundy/BLM Showdown |