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    Apr 16, 2014, 04:06 PM
    You know what you need over there is what we have here, the independent commission against corruption, in 24 years this body has claimed many political scalps the most high profile of which was just this week, NSW Premier O'Farrell and it's reach may yet embarrass the lofty heights of Canberra where guilt by association reigns.

    O'Farrell resigned after lying to the commission about an expensive bottle of wine, begging the question regarding what may remain hidden. By resigning he didn't have to face questions in the parliament

    They would soon unseat the likes of Harry Reid
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    Apr 16, 2014, 04:37 PM
    Tal ,Philly mayor Michael Nutter signed an executive order today stating the city will no longer cooperate with the ICE . I want to hear you condemn his violation of the lawful process.
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    Apr 16, 2014, 05:00 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    You know what you need over there is what we have here, the independent commission against corruption, in 24 years this body has claimed many political scalps the most high profile of which was just this week, NSW Premier O'Farrell and it's reach may yet embarrass the lofty heights of Canberra where guilt by association reigns.

    O'Farrell resigned after lying to the commission about an expensive bottle of wine, begging the question regarding what may remain hidden. By resigning he didn't have to face questions in the parliament

    They would soon unseat the likes of Harry Reid

    Tom is not interested in solutions, just political point scoring.
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    Apr 16, 2014, 05:32 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuttyd View Post
    Tom is not interested in solutions, just political point scoring.
    if it would force the crook Harry Reid to resign then there is some merit to the proposal. We could do the same here with an independent prosecutor if the emperor would direct his chief law enforcement cabinet officer to appoint one ..
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    Apr 16, 2014, 05:56 PM
    What I don't understand is you have such august bodies such as the FBI and yet your politics is rife with corruption. A machine politician like Obama would never do what you suggest since he would probably find the fingers pointing at him. The type of body I'm speaking about doesn't prosecute, it investigates under judicial authority and so can command evidence from anyone, the end of the process is a recommendation for prosecution but what is uncovered in the process is far reaching and indepth, much deeper than your Senate enquiries can dig

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-1...elease/5381116
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    Apr 16, 2014, 07:11 PM
    The FBI is even more corrupt than the local police (the last 6 years anyway but its been that way before under Louie Freeh, remember Ruby Ridge?)... and it starts at Obama... he after all appoints the Attourney General... and the top positions are ALL politically influenced.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 12:09 AM
    In what way is it corrupt?
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    Apr 17, 2014, 05:05 AM
    Its not happening just in Nevada... they are pulling the same stunt in Texas... to people that have paid property taxes on the land for over 100 years...

    Bureau of Land Management Looks to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchland |

    The article is too long to cut and paste...so I linked it.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 05:07 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    In what way is it corrupt?
    You could write a book on the civil right violations and curruption of the FBI and the inJustice department under Clinton and Obama (though it dates back decades longer). They are that numerous.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 07:10 AM
    Seems you might have one police force too many, no, more than one
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    Apr 17, 2014, 07:14 AM
    Can't disagree there... the problem is they have gotten too big for their britches... or drunk with power.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 09:31 AM
    "We cannot continue to rely only on our military ...We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."
    The Emperor .

    The BLM is not the only agency that is now armed and ready to use force. Last year the EPA raided gold mines in Alaska with armed agents using paramilitary tactics.
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    #73

    Apr 17, 2014, 09:39 AM
    Your quote is another bit of misinformation... again.

    Obama's 'National Security Force?'
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    Apr 17, 2014, 09:43 AM
    Factcheck dot org is a George Soros funded liberal misinformation site.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 09:56 AM
    Factcheck dot org is a George Soros funded liberal misinformation site.
    Ok, debunk what they say then.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 10:10 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Factcheck dot org is a George Soros funded liberal misinformation site.
    No different than Hannity or Limbaugh.
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    Apr 17, 2014, 10:59 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Ok, debunk what they say then.
    Anything connecterd with Soros is suspect... truth and facts are not things Soros.. or today's Democrat party want to waste any time with so they make up everything. Proof is the total lack of transparency and complete disregard for the facts. Behghazigate, IrsGate, ACORN, Guns for goons program... etc, etc...

    WHen was there NOT a scandal the last 6 years... (just to narrow it down a bit)
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    Apr 17, 2014, 12:28 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by smoothy View Post
    Anything connecterd with Soros is suspect... truth and facts are not things Soros.. or today's Democrat party want to waste any time with so they make up everything. Proof is the total lack of transparency and complete disregard for the facts. Behghazigate, IrsGate, ACORN, Guns for goons program... etc, etc...

    WHen was there NOT a scandal the last 6 years... (just to narrow it down a bit)
    What NK means is to demonstrate the misinformation contained within the article.
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    #79

    Apr 17, 2014, 12:53 PM
    That's correct. But, if past performance is any indication, we'll be waiting a long time.
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    #80

    Apr 17, 2014, 06:43 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by paraclete View Post
    In what way is it corrupt?


    New emails show that both the IRS and Justice Department were involved in a probe of Tea Party and other conservative groups. This is no mere scandal — it's a major breach of the law.
    The newly released emails were gathered for a Freedom of Information Act request by Judicial Watch, a nonpartisan public interest law group. They show that former Internal Revenue Service official Lois Lerner discussed with the Justice Department going after conservative groups that she believed lied about their political activities.
    What's shocking is that this discussion came just days before Lerner acknowledged that the IRS had investigated tea-party and other conservative groups but insisted that it was an isolated incident conducted by low-level officials in the IRS' Cincinnati office.
    It was a lie. In a May 8 email to Nikole Flax, then the chief of staff to the acting IRS commissioner, Lerner discusses a phone call from Richard Pilger, who headed the Justice Department's elections crimes unit.
    According to Lerner, Pilger wondered if the IRS could help him "piece together false-statement cases about applicants who 'lied'" on applications for tax-free status.
    In a subsequent email, Lerner responded: "I think we should do it — also need to include CI (the criminal investigation unit), which we can help coordinate. Also, we need to reach out to FEC (the Federal Election Commission). Does it make sense to consider including them in this or keep it separate?"
    It's been clear for some time that this goes beyond a mere rogue IRS operation in Cincinnati. But until now, we didn't know how far it went.
    As the emails show, it was a high-level conspiracy to use the offices and powers of the federal government — including the IRS, FEC and Justice — to falsely prosecute and harass the tea party and conservative political groups that opposed the Obama administration.
    How do we know that the groups were "conservative?" Just two days after her email to Flax, Lerner admitted in an email to a Washington Post reporter that she "can't confirm that there was anyone on the other side of the political spectrum" targeted by the IRS.
    In short, it was a politically motivated witch hunt.
    "These new emails show that the day before she broke the news of the IRS scandal, Lois Lerner was talking to a top Obama Justice Department official about whether the DOJ could prosecute the very same organizations that the IRS had already improperly targeted," said Tom Fitton, Judicial Watch's president.
    "The IRS emails show Eric Holder's Department of Justice is now implicated and conflicted in the IRS scandal," he added.
    Moreover, the IRS coordinated some of its attacks against conservatives and the GOP with far-left Democrats in Congress, including Rep. Elijah Cummings of Maryland and Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island. This wasn't isolated; it was a campaign.
    President Obama told Fox News in February that there wasn't "even a smidgen of corruption" in what the IRS did. The corruption is there, Mr. President, and it demands a prosecution. The only remaining question is whether the rot extends to your office, too.
    Emails Show Corruption At Heart Of Obama Administration - Investors.com

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