[excon]

Hello again, tom:

Let's say instead of an abortion factory we were talking about a Catholic clinic that ministers to the poor.

Nahhhh. You got me wrong. I'm HAPPY the church would minister to the poor. Now, under Obamacare, they don't have to insure their workers any more either, so there's no 1st Amendment issue. Obamacare SOLVED that one, huh?

excon

[tomder55]

Not really . What Obamacare does is to force them into a socialized system or violate their convictions.
But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code. Would you permit it to remain open without making the changes to comply ?

[excon]

Hello again, tom:

But I see you didn't address the issue of a Catholic clinic that was operating outside of safety code.

You know I don't duck stuff.

As you may know, I DON'T live my life by what SOME people write down in a book and call it law.

Were I to observe an attempt to CLOSE your Catholic charity for POLITICAL reasons, and political reasons ONLY, I'd object, and object STRENUOUSLY. That's clearly the case here.

Some people, somehow, believe these trap laws are designed for the safety of women. I can't imagine HOW they could believe that, but they do.

excon

[tomder55]

Hmmmmm the ole death by 1000 cuts incrementalism strategy.. Something the left has employed for decades . The abortion clinics are conducting commerce (specifically surgery )... and can and should be regulated just as any other ambulatory surgical centers that performs such services require .

[tomder55]

A related note... today Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote an appeals court decision about the contraceptive mandate .She ruled in favor of Freshway Foods objections to the mandate She wrote that as a result of the regulation, the plaintiffs "can either abide by the sacred tenets of their faith, pay a penalty of over $14 million, and cripple the companies they have spent a lifetime building, or they become complicit in a grave moral wrong."
Appeals courts rulings have gone both ways ;so it can be assumed that SCOTUS will make a decision sooner or later .

[paraclete]

Tom why don't you rephrase your question and remove the word catholic. Now should that clinic be regulated, of course it should

[tomder55]

Agree Clete.. The pro-abortionists here think abortion clinics should work outside of standard regulations.

[speechlesstx]

The left never met a regulation it didn't love unless it's abortion related.

[talaniman]

Republicans only regulate what they don't like, but they refuse to regulate anything that big business does. Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.

[tomder55]

Matter of fact they give them MO'MONEY every chance they get.

Yup Repubics are part of the problem too.

[speechlesstx]

A related note... today Judge Janice Rogers Brown wrote an appeals court decision about the contraceptive mandate .She ruled in favor of Freshway Foods objections to the mandate She wrote that as a result of the regulation, the plaintiffs "can either abide by the sacred tenets of their faith, pay a penalty of over $14 million, and cripple the companies they have spent a lifetime building, or they become complicit in a grave moral wrong."
Appeals courts rulings have gone both ways ;so it can be assumed that SCOTUS will make a decision sooner or later .

The court seemed unimpressed with the government argument.

Obama administration said that the requirement is necessary to protect women’s health and abortion rights. The judges were unconvinced that forcing companies to violate their religious rights was appropriate.

Brown wrote that “it is clear the government has failed to demonstrate how such a right — whether described as noninterference, privacy, or autonomy — can extend to the compelled subsidization of a woman’s procreative practices.”

Court Rules Obama Admin Can't Make Catholic family Business Follow HHS Mandate | LifeNews.com

[talaniman]

Another argument for single payer, and doing away with employer based health care. But the down side is that eventually workers who lose insurance benefits or have theirs modified will want something in return, and that's MONEY.

Cool. I know those religious folks see that coming. Good Luck in the court.

[speechlesstx]

In other words you think the same government that can't build a website in 3 1/2 years would excel with even more control.

[talaniman]

Fixing problems isn't more control. Making things work would be better than flat out sabotage. And its not more control that's the goal but more cooperation to make it work.

[speechlesstx]

Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.

[talaniman]

You did your best to kill the bill and the government and FAILED. Don't care if you cooperate or not. I don't expect you to cooperate. That's not ironic just fact. Not something to lose sleep over or stop working for. That would be false hope on my part.

[speechlesstx]

I'm going to cooperate and let the dems take the heat.

[paraclete]

There you are sense at last

[excon]

Hello again, Steve:

Ironic again that the people that passed it against our will and shut us out of the process would preach about cooperation.

This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.

You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...

Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.

excon

[talaniman]

Hello again, Steve:
This is the LORDS day. It's NOT a day you should be hypocritical.. If the lord won't tell you, I WILL.

You come from TEXAS where your state government is RAMMING abortion and voter ID CRAP down the throats of your citizens, and I DON'T hear you talking about "cooperation"...

Look, Right Winger. When YOUR side in in control you RAM, RAM, and then you RAM some more... So, does your opposition.. Don't act so hurt about it. Buck up, Righty.

excon

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