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cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 07:39 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
I dunno if you actually DON'T know what I'm talking about, or if you're insulting my intelligence...

If it's the former, you need to pay better attention. If it's the latter, that's what you guys do when you have NO answers.

excon

Im just making sure that you get an answer to whatever your talking about. But to do that we just need to start on the same page. Are we revisiting the BO birth certificate issue or is there something else brewing that I missed ?

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Eric Liu: Real Neighborhoods Should Do More than Watch | TIME.com

Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel

Sanford's police chief eyeing changes for Neighborhood Watch program | Bay News 9

Is it a surprise that they suspended it? All sorts of people run when in danger of a lawsuit and public pressure. They are no different. They are afraid to stand up for what is right in favor of a false sense of security that it will go away by ignoring it.

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 07:51 AM

Hello again, dad:

Im just making sure that you get an answer to whatever your talking about.

Look. If I belonged to a party of RACIST BASTARDS, I'd dance around the question too..

Excon

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 08:24 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
Look. If I belonged to a party of RACIST BASTARDS, I'd dance around the question too..

excon

Maybe Im wrong but I thought we both were independents ?

For me it wasn't a question of race. It was a question of eligibility. Just like if you remember at the time John McCain was held in question also in OB's first presidential run.

McCain's Birth Abroad Stirs Legal Debate - Washington Post

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 08:34 AM

Hello again, dad:

The ONLY reason race continues to be a factor in anything is because your side perpetuates it.

Fruitvale Station. What's your excuse for that?

Excon

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
Fruitvale Station. What's your excuse for that?

excon

Looks like neglegence to me on the part of the Bart Officer. He stood trial and was found guilty. What more do you want?

Can you explain this one?

Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 09:57 AM

Hello again, dad:

What more do you want?

I want you to explain the events PRIOR to the shooting, and tell me that this kid wasn't racially PROFILED and wound up dead.

Profiling is the issue - NOT what happened to the cop.

Excon

tomder55 · Jul 21, 2013, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Eric Liu: Real Neighborhoods Should Do More than Watch | TIME.com

Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel

Sanford's police chief eyeing changes for Neighborhood Watch program | Bay News 9

From your link:

The Neighborhood Watch at Retreat at Twin Lakes, where Zimmerman lived and was chosen as coordinator by his neighbors, was formed in September, Dorival said. It is not registered with the national group, but there is no registration requirement. The Sanford Police Department provides training and community signs, and informs residents about crime trends and prevention.

Zimmerman raised no red flags during an organizational meeting Sept. 22, and no one had complained about him before the shooting, Dorival said.

Like the link says ;there are no set rules for community watch groups . The local police may or may not help in the details . I remember when the Guardian Angels formed here by Curtis Sliwa. He established his own guidelines that the police and even Mayor Koch opposed. Since then they have been embraced .

Wondergirl · Jul 21, 2013, 10:44 AM

Chris Tutko, director of Neighborhood Watch for the National Sheriffs' Association, said Zimmerman broke some cardinal rules.

First, he approached a stranger he suspected of wrongdoing.

"If you see something suspicious, you report it, you step aside and you let law enforcement do their job," Tutko said. "This guy went way beyond the call of duty. At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons — though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit.

"There's no reason to carry a gun," Tutko said.

Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 10:54 AM

Hello again,

If ALL the conditions to stand your ground are met, what if you have an ankle holster? What if your gun is in a drawer two feet away? What if it's on a table six feet away? What if it's in another room?

excon

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 11:09 AM

Hello again,

I got MORE questions about this stupid, stupid law.

What happens if I start a fight with you? I get off the first punch and put you on the ground... Now I'm STANDING over you ready to do it again, and you FEEL (key word) threatened... According to the law, you can shoot me.

But, you don't. Instead you get up, and nail ME, and now I'M on the ground and you're standing over me. I FEEL (key word) threatened. Can I shoot you?

excon

tomder55 · Jul 21, 2013, 11:29 AM

At the least, he's overzealous."

Second, Zimmerman carried a handgun. Police departments and sheriff's offices that train volunteers advise them never to carry weapons — though Zimmerman broke no laws by doing so because he has a concealed-weapons permit.

"There's no reason to carry a gun," Tutko said.

Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel[/QUOTE]

Again ; Dorival said. It is not registered with the national group, but there is no registration requirement. The Sanford Police Department provides training and community signs, and informs residents about crime trends and prevention.

National Sheriffs' Association has a set of guidelines that a group may or may not follow . A group may or may not register with them as they choose . What is sad is that there were so many break-ins in the peaceful community of Twin Lakes that they felt the need to create a community watch group in the 1st place . People forget that little tidbit .There were 8 break ins in the year prior to the night of the incident . In one of the cases ,Olivia Bertalan was home alone with her infant son when her home was broken into by 2 men. She ran upstairs and locked herself and her son in a bedroom .One of the men tried to enter the room ,but could not because it was locked . He knew she was there because both she and the baby were crying . She was lucky . The cops showed up that time and the men fled... but not before stealing her laptop and digital camera . God knows what would've happened if they did not show up when they did. For Olivia Bertalan that was enough . She was not going to live in fear . She moved out of the community specifically because of the number of instances of break ins.

tomder55 · Jul 21, 2013, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I got MORE questions about this stupid, stupid law.

What happens if I start a fight with you? I get off the first punch and put you on the ground... Now I'm STANDING over you ready to do it again, and you FEEL (key word) threatened... According to the law, you can shoot me.

But, you don't. Instead you get up, and nail ME, and now I'M on the ground and you're standing over me. I FEEL (key word) threatened. Can I shoot you?

Excon

Maybe you should ask some of the victims of the "knockout game" what they think.

In May 2013, a 51 year-old man named Michael Daniels died from his injuries after he was attacked outside a convenience store in Syracuse, NY, by two teenagers playing the game.The suspects, 15 year-old Ander Grady and an unnamed 13 year-old, were charged with manslaughter.Grady's charges were later upgraded to criminally negligent homicide, reckless endangerment, and assault

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knockout_(violent_game)
But... but... Ander Grady's just a kid . How could a kid beat up an adult male ? You know... if the emperor had a son ,he could look like Grady.. in fact ;Grady could've been the emperor 35 years ago .
Man

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 11:50 AM

Hello again, tom:

In other words, you got nothing...

excon

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
I want you to explain the events PRIOR to the shooting, and tell me that this kid wasn't racially PROFILED and wound up dead.

Profiling is the issue - NOT what happened to the cop.

excon

From what the report showed was that a report of fighting on the tain had occurred. Was it more like rough housing between friends or what I have no idea. But I didn't see any charges of civil rights brought against the officer. I don't know the exact initial report that was turned in. Bart police are not regular police in the same sense as a city owned force but are more of a private force.

It appears the cop made a mistake. On purpose or not I can't tell from the video. But it is clear he shot at point blank range. If your expecting me to say this was profiling I can not without more information.

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I got MORE questions about this stupid, stupid law.

What happens if I start a fight with you?? I get off the first punch and put you on the ground... Now I'm STANDING over you ready to do it again, and you FEEL (key word) threatened... According to the law, you can shoot me.

But, you don't. Instead you get up, and nail ME, and now I'M on the ground and you're standing over me. I FEEL (key word) threatened. Can I shoot you?

excon

We went through this before. But as a refresher it does protect you if it is life threatened. Well beyond simple threat.

speechlesstx · Jul 21, 2013, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
I dunno if you actually DON'T know what I'm talking about, or if you're insulting my intelligence...

If it's the former, you need to pay better attention. If it's the latter, that's what you guys do when you have NO answers.

excon

I think this should be on the "it's come to this" thread. Playing the birther card on a thread about a Hispanic shooting a black guy? Really? Speaking of insulting other's intelligence...

You guys make race a factor in everything and especially so since Dear Leader came on the scene and that's the shame. You are directly responsible for perpetuating racial tension, including with the birther nonsense.

speechlesstx · Jul 21, 2013, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again,

I got MORE questions about this stupid, stupid law.

What happens if I start a fight with you?? I get off the first punch and put you on the ground... Now I'm STANDING over you ready to do it again, and you FEEL (key word) threatened... According to the law, you can shoot me.

But, you don't. Instead you get up, and nail ME, and now I'M on the ground and you're standing over me. I FEEL (key word) threatened. Can I shoot you?

excon

I'd shoot regardless of the law.

speechlesstx · Jul 21, 2013, 03:24 PM

Bad news. In spite of angry blacks and other liberals' protesting to urge the feds to lynch Zimmerman, ex's bulldog buddy says it probably ain't going to happen.

A leading House Democrat questioned Friday whether the Justice Department (DOJ) has the evidence to mount a civil rights case against George Zimmerman, the man acquitted of killing an unarmed black teenager in Florida.

Rep. Henry Waxman (Calif.), the top Democrat on the Energy and Commerce Committee, said in a television interview that "it seems unlikely" Attorney General Eric Holder would file discrimination charges against Zimmerman.

The killing of Trayvon Martin and Zimmerman's subsequent acquittal have sparked demonstrations around the country. Protests were scheduled nationwide on Saturday as disappointed court-watchers urged DOJ to pursue charges against Zimmerman.

Waxman's comments put him at odds with members of the Congressional Black Caucus, who have said that Zimmerman violated Martin's civil rights in February, 2012, by pursuing him through a neighborhood.

"I haven't heard that they could show that there was anything with regard to race involved," Waxman told C-SPAN's Newsmakers program.

"There was a boy and this fellow Zimmerman thought he was up to no good and they got into a fight.

"Maybe he decided [Martin] was doing something wrong because he was African American, but there was no clear evidence that was the supposition. It seems unlikely that they could make a case."

Waxman also said he understood why jurors came to their conclusion in the case.

"I can see how a jury trying to reach a verdict beyond a reasonable doubt for guilt could have a reasonable doubt and come to the conclusion they reached," he said.

Read more: Leading Dem casts doubt on possible DOJ charges against Zimmerman - The Hill's Blog Briefing Room us: @thehill on Twitter | TheHill on Facebook

He sounds just like us wingers. Who knew Waxman was such a racist.

excon · Jul 22, 2013, 07:13 AM

Hello again, Steve:

Couple things... Like my friend Henry, I too have no problem with the verdict, and I too don't think there's grounds for civil rights charges.

Nonetheless, stand your ground needs to be repealed. It's a license to kill black people.

Prior to stand your ground, our self defense laws allowed you to kill, if you had NO OTHER OPTION.. Stand your ground allows you to kill even if you HAVE OTHER OPTIONS. If you have a SAFE avenue of escape, sticking around to "stand your ground" ISN'T about self defense.. It's about kicking some a$$.

excon