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speechlesstx · Jul 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Would you be as respectful had a black jury convicted him?

I defer to the jury, period. That's how it works. Your turn.

excon · Jul 20, 2013, 02:29 PM

Hello:

Stand your ground is soooo stupid... If somebody picks a fight with you, you'd BETTER lose, because if you start WINNING, he can shoot you..

excon

tomder55 · Jul 20, 2013, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Would you be as respectful had a black jury convicted him?

More proof that it's your side that is stoking the flames of racism. Why don't you look up the jury trial of the murderer of Yankel Rosenbaum ,Lemrick Nelson and get back to us ? After that jury nullification of the law ,some of the jurors attended a party with Nelson.

talaniman · Jul 20, 2013, 03:37 PM

Why can't you just answer the question?

speechlesstx · Jul 20, 2013, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello:

Stand your ground is soooo stupid... If somebody picks a fight with you, you'd BETTER lose, because if you start WINNING, he can shoot you..

excon

You got the memo.

Media Won't Stand Down on 'Stand Your Ground' | National Review Online

speechlesstx · Jul 20, 2013, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Why can't you just answer the question?

I did. Your turn.

From Jazz Shaw on the Comforter in Chief's 'healing' speech.

This leads us to the other glaring omission. You'll note that in the initial expressions of sympathy and understanding, George Zimmerman's name was not mentioned once. If my previous, far fetched idea that Zimmerman was innocent – backed up only by the flimsy excuse that a court of law found him to be so – were even possibly true, was the Zimmerman family also not feeling the sting of the long, drawn out proceedings which followed and the social stigma which will be trailing George Zimmerman for the rest of his life? Was there not a moment to spare in this “historic speech” (as Wolf Blitzer later termed it) for a few thoughts for the family of the man who was found innocent?

Spot on. You lefties have forgotten there is more than one family here and Zimmerman and his family's lives will never be the same even though he was found innocent of the charges.

talaniman · Jul 20, 2013, 04:17 PM

Sorry I haven't moved to sympathy for the guy who started this tragedy by his actions before the confrontation, a 28 year old guy who supposedly was trained to know better, though I do feel sympathy for his family who yet again have had to endure his mistakes.

Because of him the "young thug wannabe" as you say will never be have the chance to amend his ways and be better. I can agree on the media hurting both families, but an honest dialog need to be had. You can't just sweep it under the rug and forget it.

speechlesstx · Jul 21, 2013, 04:47 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Sorry I haven't moved to sympathy for the guy who started this tragedy by his actions before the confrontation, a 28 year old guy who supposedly was trained to know better, though I do feel sympathy for his family who yet again have had to endure his mistakes.

Because of him the "young thug wannabe" as you say will never be have the chance to amend his ways and be better. I can agree on the media hurting both families, but an honest dialog need to be had. You can't just sweep it under the rug and forget it.

Tom and I both posted what your 'honest dialog' consists of, or rather omits - the honest part.

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Why can't you just answer the question?

I don't care what a jury looks like. So long as they follow the rule of law then the ruling is valid until it is appealed.

Why keep playing race as a factor?

talaniman · Jul 21, 2013, 05:45 AM

So you don't agree him breaking the rules of being in the neighbor hood watch was the root cause that lead to this tragedy, and application of a bad law facilitated that decision to leave his truck?

Even the jury person acknowledged it influenced her thinking. He crossed a line of good behavior when he profiled the teen in the first place. He doesn't have to be a racist to be wrong.

talaniman · Jul 21, 2013, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by cdad

I dont care what a jury looks like. So long as they follow the rule of law then the ruling is valid until it is appealed.

Why keep playing race as a factor?

Because it is and ignoring it keeps us stuck in the same mud of close minded segregation that creates more problem than it solves. You can't live in fear and prejudice and make policy and procedure from that fear, and prejudice without consequence.

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

So you don't agree him breaking the rules of being in the neighbor hood watch was the root cause that lead to this tragedy, and application of a bad law facilitated that decision to leave his truck?

Even the jury person acknowledged it influenced her thinking. He crossed a line of good behavior when he profiled the teen in the first place. He doesn't have to be a racist to be wrong.

First off I don't believe stand your ground is bad law. Second is that stand your ground wasn't a part of this case. The fact you keep bringing it up shows your lack of concern for the parties involved and the prejudice you hold for the situation.

I know your not in favor of carry permits in general and you believe that people who do carry that aren't police can never be properly trained. But your wrong. I aknowlage it's a terrible tragidy to have to lose a life when its someone so young. But maybe what this case should really be doing is focusing on the system that created this whole mess. This country is going to hell in a handbasket and we are dropping fast. We (everyone) needs to regain control of our own destiny and not just allow government to tell us where to be and what to do.

Im still proud of my country and do not fear voicing my opinion in it. I am pro 2nd amendment. I try to be reasonable about the way things are and focus on the law at hand. Too many teens are being twisted into situations they don't belong in and it's a result of attitudes and environment. Its time for change.

This case as I see it is Obama's saving grace so he and others are going to perpetuate it for as long as possible to keep the spotlight off the administrations activities and allow him to continue flying under the radar.

If you want to propose moving away from a nation of laws to one of a feel good anything goes society then start that argument so we can get on with the debate. But in my lifetime I have never seen so much BS being slung around as truth because the media says so as I have in this case. It is only going to get worse if we don't change.

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by talaniman

Because it is and ignoring it keeps us stuck in the same mud of close minded segregation that creates more problem than it solves. You can't live in fear and prejudice and make policy and procedure from that fear, and prejudice without consequence.

The ONLY reason race continues to be a factor in anything is because your side perpetuates it. You continue to oppress persons of color for no reason other then to control them. Its very sad.

tomder55 · Jul 21, 2013, 06:21 AM

breaking the rules of being in the neighbor hood watch

What rules were these ? Who's rules ? I did some checking on that and did not find his neighborhood watch group affiliated with any outside organization ,or even directly with the local police.
Does it not occur to you that had his intent been to shoot Martin ,he probably would not have called 9 1 1 first ? Or maybe you think that was part of his diabolical plot too ?

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 06:43 AM

Hello again, dad:

The ONLY reason race continues to be a factor in anything is because your side perpetuates it. You continue to oppress persons of color for no reason other then to control them. Its very sad.

That is the right wing narrative, isn't it? But, in order to believe that, you'd have to believe the birth certificate fiasco had NOTHING to do with race... Of course, it had EVERYTHING to do with race, didn't it??

Excon

talaniman · Jul 21, 2013, 06:43 AM

Maybe that was the problem Tom, they made up the rule as they went along without the proper guidance. The NW groups I have associated with were guided and set up with the help of the cop.

No wonder he screwed up and shot a neighbor.

cdad · Jul 21, 2013, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by excon

Hello again, dad:
In order to believe that, you'd have to believe the birth certificate fiasco had NOTHING to do with race... Of course, it had EVERYTHING to do with race, didn't it???

excon

Which birth certificate are you referring to ?

excon · Jul 21, 2013, 06:56 AM

Hello again, dad:

Which birth certificate are you referring to ?

I don't know if you actually DON'T know what I'm talking about, or if you're insulting my intelligence...

If it's the former, you need to pay better attention. If it's the latter, that's what you guys do when you have NO answers.

Excon

paraclete · Jul 21, 2013, 07:11 AM

Well ex everyone has a birth certificate but sometimes the details are embarrassing. Now we could conclude that the details are embarrassing for BO or they are embarrassing for his opponents

talaniman · Jul 21, 2013, 07:32 AM

Eric Liu: Real Neighborhoods Should Do More than Watch | TIME.com

Trayvon Martin: Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman broke Neighborhood Watch gun rules - Orlando Sentinel

Sanford's police chief eyeing changes for Neighborhood Watch program | Bay News 9

A resident at The Retreat at Twin Lakes, where Martin was fatally shot, said the homeowner's association there permanently suspended their neighborhood watch program immediately after the shooting in February 2012. The neighborhood now has a community enforcement agreement with the Sanford Police Department.