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Sep 7, 2012, 10:05 AM
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 Originally Posted by smoothy
..they also DID find like 240 METRIC TONS of yellowcake uranium IN IRAQ
You realize that yellowcake uranium is naturally occurring right?
If you have a 10 by 20 metre lawn, then the top metre of soil will have around 1 kg of uranium in it.
Also if you check into this, you'll quickly find that the uranium a) was not weapons grade and b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam's government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.
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Sep 7, 2012, 10:39 AM
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Simmer down righties, we know you are only holding the door open for your oligarchs and religious leaders to extract wealth and be dependent on your idea of charity so you can justify being peed on from above is healthy rain.
I KNOW, liberal straw man arguments against conservative truth, justice and the conser... I mean... American way!
Blah, Blah, and more BLAH! Explain record profits and no jobs. I can fire the self proclaimed job creators, and hire back the REAL job creators... consumers!!
And leave Science and economics to people who are qualified and rational and not stuck in conservative mind set insanity.
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Sep 7, 2012, 10:57 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
You realize that yellowcake uranium is naturally occuring right?
If you have a 10 by 20 metre lawn, then the top metre of soil will have around 1 kg of uranium in it.
Also if you check into this, you'll quickly find that the uranium a) was not weapons grade and b) was well known to the UN and IAEA and was being stored legally by Saddam's government. It was legally in Iraq according to international law.
Right... you find HUGE veins of yellow cake just like you find coal... right? No it's a lot more complicated than that...
Would YOU want to go play in a pile of it... or put some on your food? Ever hear of dirty bombs?
And incidentally... where do you live where you can find Uranium in those sort of high concentrations... because I don't want to live there or anywhere near there.
My entire property doesn't have anything like that on it and I own a LOT more land than that...
You don't find uranium in comerically recoverable concentrations in all that many places... just like you won't find, gold copper or silver either.
And in the places you do... its not even in concentrations that high.
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Sep 7, 2012, 10:58 AM
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Hello again,
What I find interesting, is that we appeared to have watched TWO different conventions... I WATCHED the Republican one. I understood it too.
Maybe liberals use too many big words. I don't mean to insult you guys. I know that you're smart... But, I didn't hear ANYONE say they want people to be dependent on government. You did, huh?
I think that's why you're going to lose. MOST of the people heard what was actually said...
excon
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:04 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
Simmer down righties, we know you are only holding the door open for your oligarchs and religious leaders to extract wealth and be dependent on your idea of charity so you can justify being peed on from above is healthy rain.
I KNOW, liberal straw man arguments against conservative truth, justice and the conser......I mean............American way!
Blah, Blah, and more BLAH! Explain record profits and no jobs. I can fire the self proclaimed job creators, and hire back the the REAL job creators.........................consumers!!!!
And leave Science and economics to people who are qualified and rational and not stuck in conservative mind set insanity.
SO how many people did YOU hire the last four years, and what's your excuse for not hireing a lot more?
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:12 AM
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 Originally Posted by smoothy
SO how many people did YOU hire the last four years, and whats your excuse for not hireing a lot more?
What do you think the ratio of business owners to employees is? I'm curious.
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:37 AM
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Consumers don't hire, they buy and create DEMAND often lost in your supply side economics. Demand is DOWN because consumers don't have any revenue streams thanks to the smoke and mirror, supply side, bubble driven, redirection of wealth upward for the last 30 years.
And aided mostly by tax cuts during a recession caused by the high class robbery that you righties approved of and held the door open for.
And keep your hands off my Medicare and social security, and that goes for my kids and grand kids to.
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:52 AM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
What do you think the ratio of business owners to employees is? I'm curious.
He claimed is the consumers that creat all the jobs... since he has never indicated he was rich in any thread I've read of his, he then implies HE is one of the job creators... therefor if the unemployment rates.. the REAL ones are so high.. then its Liberals such as him that are responsible for it... not the rich people they have been blaming it on.
Funny how the left blames the wealthy for NOT creating enough jobs then in the next breath claim the rich aren't the job creators that THEY actually are...
Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:53 AM
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 Originally Posted by talaniman
Consumers don't hire, they buy and create DEMAND often lost in your supply side economics. Demand is DOWN because consumers don't have any revenue streams thanks to the smoke and mirror, supply side, bubble driven, redirection of wealth upward for the last 30 years.
And aided mostly by tax cuts during a recession caused by the high class robbery that you righties approved of and held the door open for.
And keep your hands off my Medicare and social security, and that goes for my kids and grand kids to.
WHo owns those businesses then, who took the risked and the choices to grow them? Its not the Things that infest Public housing projects?
Obama defuned Medicare by 750 BILLION dollars in the Obamacare mess... you better put the blame where it belongs... on YOUR messiah.
And iots the lefties that have been handing out SSI benefits to the fat and lazy who have never paid in or have paid little in... and to the immigrants that got handed green cards in their late 50's and 60's that never paid much in for the reason its gone bankrupt.
And you are a fool if you think the Democrats haven't done more than their fair share of raiding those fuds over the last 6 or 7 DECADES and spending it on other things... Don't lay that on the republicans. Obama did it, Clinton did it too... and so did Jimmy carter and every Democrat administration before them... as well as every Democrat controlled congress that has existed since SSI was created.
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:59 AM
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 Originally Posted by smoothy
Its not the Things that infest Public housing projects?
Yes we are well aware of your racial views.
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Sep 7, 2012, 11:59 AM
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 Originally Posted by smoothy
He claimed is the consumers that creat all the jobs...since he has never indicated he was rich in any thread I've read of his, he then implies HE is one of the job creators....therefor if the unemployment rates..the REAL ones are so high..then its Liberals such as him that are responsible for it...not the rich people they have been blaming it on.
Funny how the left blames the wealthy for NOT creating enough jobs then in the next breath claim the rich aren't the job creators that THEY actually are...
Talk about the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
Read Tal's post above yours.
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Sep 7, 2012, 12:09 PM
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 Originally Posted by NeedKarma
Read Tal's post above yours.
Read the one he made further up that I was responding to.
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Sep 7, 2012, 03:32 PM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again,
What I find interesting, is that we appeared to have watched TWO different conventions... I WATCHED the Republican one. I understood it too.
Maybe liberals use too many big words. I don't mean to insult you guys. I know that you're smart... But, I didn't hear ANYONE say they want people to be dependent on government. You did, huh?
I think that's why you're gonna lose. MOST of the people heard what was actually said...
excon
Julia.
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Sep 7, 2012, 03:35 PM
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Nice rant, you guys are so good at it, but you have never mentioned not once how rich guys called themselves job creators and never created jobs but bonuses, golden parachutes, overseas accounts, and foreign sweat shops. Through a global fiscal crisis they continue to make wealth for themselves through extractions and financial schemes that created no value for any one but themselves.
Then they turn around and repeat the lies that hide there own culpability in screwing things up. That's why more tax cuts and smaller government work for them, and that's what they get with you guys, but of course that what you want. More wealth through tax cuts and corporate welfare while the shop owner, or consumer can't get a line of credit, without a really high interest rate, or collateral up the ying yang to keep his small business going.
Yeah, can't wait for Romney to stop lying so you guys can stop repeating the lies, and tell us the things he will cut to balance the budget and pay for his huge tax cut to himself. Or how he creates the opportunity to make more people less dependent on your BOGUS nanny state.
No I am not rich, but am experienced in thriving and surviving, and calling it like it is. And doing the math despite the sham you guys swallow hook, line, and sinker!
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Sep 8, 2012, 02:34 AM
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It's ARITHMETIC, Stupid
23 million Americans are out of work, have stopped looking for work, or are underemployed.If the number of people were in the workforce as there were when Obama took office ,unemployment would be 11.4% .The only reason the jobless rate fell in August(by a modest 0.2%,) was 368,000 people left the labor force, pushing labor force participation down to a 31-year low of 63.5%.And yet Alan Krueger, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, praised the number as evidence of an improved economy. He must be a former Choom Gang member . There are 133.3 million Americans working .When Obama took office there were 133.561 million exposing the President's lie that 4.5 million new jobs were created under his watch.['You didn't elect me to tell you what you wanted to hear,you elected me to tell you the truth'. ]
The White House actually boasts about 96,000 new payroll jobs (less than 2000 per State and 4x the number of people who left the workforce giving up looking for work ) .Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said the U.S. must create 150,000 to 200,000 jobs per month to cover new workers coming out of school and providing jobs for the current job seekers.
We've had 43 straight months of 8% or higher unemployment... an infamous record. The CBO says that "under current law" (budgets passed by a Democrat dominated Congress and signed by Obama ) unemployment will surge to 9.1% next year ;and the U.S. economy will go into double dip recession. Why are we still operating under the failed policies of Pelosi /Reid /Obama ? Because the do nothing Senate has failed to act on either the President's proposed budgets submitted ,or budgets passed by the House since 2011.
Instead of detailed the 'truth' ,the President spead a litany of lies during his address promising everything to everyone who wants to dip into the taxpayers money .He did this despite the truth that we just topped $16 trillion in national debt (that's $50,000 for every American... an increase of $4.939 Trillion in the 3 1/2 years since Obama took office; It went up $4.899 Trillion during the 8 years of the Bush presidency. ); and we have unsustainable future entitlement obligations .
4 straight trillion dollar budget deficits in a row -- more than any other president combined-brought us to a national debt that is over 100% of GDP .He promised a $4 trillion reduction in the deficit over the next decade. But according to the CBO his budget ( submitted to Congress in February ) would add $3.5 trillion in deficits,NOT reduce them (no wonder Reid won't pass his plan) .
He promised FDR like 'bold experimentation ' without mentioning Roosevelt's record of failure. Under FDR the poor disastrous unemployment rate was virtually unchanged after 8 years in office,
On other OP's the phony social wars are being kept alive to deflect and distract from this arithmetic. But it is these numbers that will determine the result of this election.
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Sep 8, 2012, 05:54 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
It's ARITHMETIC, Stupid
23 million Americans are out of work, have stopped looking for work, or are underemployed.
Hello again, tom:
Yeah, yeah, yeah... What you say is TRUE, but it's STILL Bush's fault...
Let me ask you this... Let's say your daughter was RAPED, oh about 4 years ago. You send her to a good doctor to help her... But, it's taking a LONG time for her to recover...
Do you blame the doctor for that, or the rapist?? Never mind.. You don't have to answer.
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Sep 8, 2012, 05:58 AM
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 Originally Posted by excon
Hello again, tom:
Yeah, yeah, yeah... What you say is TRUE, but it's STILL Bush's fault...
Lemme ask you this... Let's say your daughter was RAPED, oh about 4 years ago. You send her to a good doctor to help her... But, it's taking a LONG time for her to recover...
Do you blame the doctor for that, or the rapist??? Never mind.. You don't have to answer.
excon
Is abortion the only issue the Obama supporters have left ? You have a new OP going and the one about the War on Women got over 500 replies. I've said all I have to say on the issue .
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Sep 8, 2012, 06:06 AM
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Hello again, tom:
Abortion is the OTHER thread... I just used the rape thing to show you that it is similar to the economy and who to BLAME for it... You want to blame ONE guy, and I want to blame the other...
Show me one good reason to blame Obama, and I will. But, I'm not buying it's been 3 years, so he owns it now... That's pure unadulterated right wing CRAP!
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Sep 8, 2012, 06:40 AM
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That was the argument used by the Dems on GHW Bush is 1988 after a mild recession.That was the argument used by Jimmy C in 1976 against Ford . So what you are telling me is that after 3 1/2 years of no improvement ,that he and his failed polices should be rewarded with another 4 years ? Yeah you did drink the koolaid, He says he is going to mimic the FDR plan ? But unemployment was almost 20% 8 years into Roosevelt's term . His policies prolonged the depression, just like Obama's policies are prolonging the recession. . So we know the path he's leading us on is a path to failure.
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Sep 8, 2012, 07:37 AM
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
So we know the path he's leading us on is a path to failure.
Hello again, tom:
I don't know that... What I KNOW, is that MASSIVE government spending due to WW II, got us OUT of the depression and sent us on a 30 year wave of unprecedented prosperity.
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