[excon]

Hello:

Clinton killed, didn't he?? Romney doesn't stand a chance. When you actually apply the 2 + 2 formula, he's out of gas.

excon

[smoothy]

Only if you drank the Koolaide.

There is more truth to L. Ron Hubbard s books and The Church of Scientology than was uttered during the ENTIRE Democrat Convention.

[paraclete]

I agree Ex Clinton was spot on, but he was talking to true believers and he isn't the one facing election

[tomder55]

let's see... Monica + Jennifer + Paula + Kathleen +Juanita = Democrat war on women.

I thought his speech was a self serving nostalgia tour that did not much apply to the Obama Adm. In fact ;I think he intentionally highlighted his "successes " in contrast to the President's failures. He tried to transfer his own economic record after the Republican Congress forced him to do budget cuts as workfare , to the current president.His singular message was 'vote for Obama if you want Clintoon redux' . But we know Obama couldn't carry Clintoon bags (as Clintoon told Teddy Kennedy) .

He has always had a clever line of bs at his reserve ;and I usually have to download the text because his performances are usually mesmerizing . Lucky for me I was watching the Gnats blow a home game to the Cowboys ,and read the transcript as I listened to an audio download .
He took a shot at Mittens for not being specific enough when he knows d@mn well that the President will not touch on specifics in his address tonight.

His knock on Romney's budget math may have had a grain of truth ;but compared to Obama's double counting on his claims to Medicare savings ? Not even close . Obama uses the same cuts to pay for both an extension of Medicare's trust fund and ObamaCare's new insurance subsidies.

So here is some math that Clintoon forgot to mention :

1. National Debt increased from $11.9Trillion in 2009, to over $16Trillion today (the highest dollar amount increase in history).

2. From 2009 – 2011, U.S. trade deficit with China increased by over 30%

3 .Food Stamp participation increased from 33.5 Million in 2009 to about 47 Million today (the highest participation rate in history) ;all during the Obama recovery.

What Clintoon also failed to mention was that the Obama budget got ZERO support for passage in Congress by either party . Why was it rejected by the Dems ? Because they prefer to blame the Repubics for the impass than splitting their coalition between the stimulus hawks ;and the deficit reduction hawks .
Bottom line is that this President can't lead from behind... or from the links (104 rounds played to date ) .

All in all ;yesterday reminded me of the bibilical passage (paraphrase ) . 'You will deny God 3 times before the cock crows .'

[earl237]

Clinton was always a great public speaker, his charisma is unique.

[smoothy]

Clinton was always a great public speaker, his charisma is unique.

I met him back when he was still in office... and it wasn't publicly... a true born used car salesman if there ever was one.

Met Hillary too at another time... jeeze what a shrew she is when the camera isn't around.

[paraclete]

Tom those are marvelous statistics and only serve to reinforce how severe the situation was that Obama took over. Clinton spelt it out very well even if he took a long time to do it, Obama was handed a Crock and first he had to clean the bucket. By the time he got that done, the republicans were in a
Position to block what he might do.
He achieved some interesting things which might have not solved the problem
He put an end to the Bush Iraq war which was adding to the debt
He reformed Health care
He turned the auto industry around
He set a dead line for withdrawal from Afghanistan
He repositioned the US from the Atlantic to the Pacific

What he wasn't allowed to do was to reduce the debt by increasing taxation

Fact is Tom you are in deniel, the US is bankrupt and it takes time to work your way out of bankruptcy

[smoothy]

Tom those are marvelous statistics and only serve to reinforce how severe the situation was that Obama took over. Clinton spelt it out very well even if he took a long time to do it, Obama was handed a Crock and first he had to clean the bucket. By the time he got that done, the republicans were in a
position to block what he might do.
He achieved some interesting things which might have not solved the problem
He put an end to the Bush Iraq war which was adding to the debt
He reformed Health care
He turned the auto industry around
He set a dead line for withdrawal from Afghanistan
He repositioned the US from the Atlantic to the Pacific

What he wasn't allowed to do was to reduce the debt by increasing taxation

Fact is Tom you are in deniel, the US is bankrupt and it takes time to work your way out of bankruptcy

Really, you believe all that propaganda? The deadline to leave Afghanistan was set under Bush...
He didn't fix ANYTHING in healthcare... he made everything far worse.
He didn't turn the US auto industry around...
He didn't reposition the US from the Atlantic to the pacific... the bases that were there are still there...

And Contrary to the belief of the Idiot class known as Democrats... Iraq WASN'T the G W Bush war... any more than Korea is the Obama war... don't understand? Liberals have trouble grasping the concept of what a cease fire agreement is... there wasn't TWO Gulf wars... there was only ONE... with a cease fire agreement as an intermission... and that was there through BOTH Clinton Administrations too. It started when Saddam Hussein Invaded Kuwait. I know because I was involved in that daily and intimately through 1992 in ways I still can't talk about except in vague generalities.

Incidentally... do you think the Korea war actually ended in 1953? Well it didn't there is a cease fire agreement, there was no end to it... and there is no end in sight either.

I guess the left believes if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.. because their entire platform is based on that.

And Incidentally... the National debt when Obama too Office was 9 trillion, AFTER accounting for the wars... he turned that into a 16 Trillion dollar debt... and rising. Thanks to reckless spending under HIS administration.

And NO we aren't going to give him even more to waste.. we are already taxed too much... 47% of the working people NOW don't pay a DIME in federal income tax..

[tomder55]

Obama was handed a Crock and first he had to clean the bucket. By the time he got that done, the republicans were in a
Position to block what he might do.

The new Bob Woodward book says otherwise. His was a 'my way or the highway' proposition for his 1st 2 years. He had no meaningful contact with the Republican minority leaders ;and even Madame Mimi Pelosi would take calls from him with the mute button pressed .

He put an end to the Bush Iraq war which was adding to the debt

He turned victory into defeat when he failed to renew the status of forces agreement .US soldiers are still there dying.., except now they are dying while awaiting their withdrawal orders without any mission.

He reformed Health care

He is destroying the one entitlement he vowed to preserve . This would require a new OP ;but suffice it to say that there are no savings to consumers ;and doctors are leaving the system in droves .

He turned the auto industry around

complete rubbish . Nothing was achieved that wouldn't have been achieved under regular bankruptcy procedures. What he did was strap the US taxpayer to an investment that has lost more than 50% of the taxpayer's money... and GM again closing down it's VOLT operation . He also managed to force Chrysler to sell to a foreign company.

He set a dead line for withdrawal from Afghanistan

He half hearted surged in Afghanistan .He announced a withdrawal date ;and has left our soldiers (and yours ) to be picked off by Afghanis that they are training to take over the "civil society" there.

He repositioned the US from the Atlantic to the Pacific

I thought you opposed that . It is something I happen to agree with... but did you see how Evita got b*tch slapped by the cadres in Beijing on her way there ?
Face it he is a disaster ;and Clintoon's speech only teased the Dems over what they once had (at least in their own mind... I of course have a different opinion of the Clintoon years ) .

[paraclete]

Really, you believe all that propaganda? The deadline to leave Afghanistan was set under Bush...

Setting deadlines and taking action so you can implement them are two different things something about talk and action which you fail to understand

He didn't fix ANYTHING in healthcare... he made everything far worse.
He didn't turn the US auto industry around...
He didn't reposition the US from the Atlantic to the pacific... the bases that were there are still there...

Time and circumstance Tom policy is one thio\ng and implementation another something you don't understand. Must be a Republican thing. They have a so let it be written so let it be done mentality

He made healthcare available to more people, it all comes at a cost
If he hadn't taken the action he did your auto industry would be dead today
You will exit Europe because you are not needed there, you will exit the middle east because you are not needed there and you have become confrontational with China, you can't do that from the Atlantic.

And Contrary to the belief of the Idiot class known as Democrats... Iraq WASN'T the G W Bush war..

Stop rewritting history without GW Bush there would have been no Iraq war

.any more than Korea is the Obama war... don't understand? Liberals have trouble grasping the concept of what a cease fire agreement is... there wasn't TWO Gulf wars... there was only ONE... with a cease fire agreement as an intermission... and that was there through BOTH Clinton Administrations too. It started when Saddam Hussein Invaded Kuwait. I know because I was involved in that daily and intimately through 1992 in ways I still can't talk about except in vague generalities.

Ah an admission Iraq was bush unfinished business. Interesting thing US ceasefires, it seems the people who suffer are the civilians, that applies to both Korea and Iraq

Incidentally... do you think the Korea war actually ended in 1953? Well it didn't there is a cease fire agreement, there was no end to it... and there is no end in sight either.

I guess the left believes if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.. because their entire platform is based on that.

For most of us Tom the Korean war ended in 1953 we don't want to revisit it, it is another of those wars the US didn't "win"

And Incidentally... the National debt when Obama too Office was 9 trillion, AFTER accounting for the wars... he turned that into a 16 Trillion dollar debt... and rising. Thanks to reckless spending under HIS administration.

And NO we aren't going to give him even more to waste.. we are already taxed too much... 47% of the working people NOW don't pay a DIME in federal income tax..

And there is your problem, the Bush era tax system which created the debt blowout and you want to blame Obama for it. How can you run a country when the people who earn the money don't pay the taxes, what a rediculous policy

[paraclete]

The new Bob Woodward book says otherwise. His was a 'my way or the highway' proposition for his 1st 2 years. He had no meaningful contact with the Republican minority leaders ;and even Madame Mimi Pelosi would take calls from him with the mute button pressed .
He turned victory into defeat when he failed to renew the status of forces agreement .US soldiers are still there dying ..,,,except now they are dying while awaiting their withdrawal orders without any mission.
He is destroying the one entitlement he vowed to preserve . This would require a new OP ;but suffice it to say that there are no savings to consumers ;and doctors are leaving the system in droves .
complete rubbish . Nothing was acheived that wouldn't have been acheived under regular bankruptcy procedures. What he did was strap the US taxpayer to an investment that has lost more than 50% of the taxpayer's money....and GM again closing down it's VOLT operation . He also managed to force Chrysler to sell to a foreign company.
He half hearted surged in Afghanistan .He announced a withdrawal date ;and has left our soldiers (and yours ) to be picked off by Afghanis that they are training to take over the "civil society" there.
I thought you opposed that . It is something I happen to agree with .... but did you see how Evita got b*tch slapped by the cadres in Beijing on her way there ?
Face it he is a disaster ;and Clintoon's speech only teased the Dems over what they once had (at least in their own mind .... I of course have a different opinion of the Clintoon years ) .

You know what TOM I don't have to agree and by the way arrogance will get you slapped down in this part of the world anytime. You don't belong here and you should understand that.

I don't agree with US policy but that doesn't mean your administration hasn't achieved something, I'm not praising the method or the outcome just looking at what has been done. If I were doing it I would do it very differently but you could be assured my solution would include reform of tax, welfare, military, health and those doctors who are leaving, send them over here

[talaniman]

When will you learn Clete to get out of the way when the righties get to rolling and rockin', and revising? They ain't serious, but they have to keep hollering to stay in shape for the day they really find something to holler about.

[paraclete]

Tal that's like saying shut up, shush, the nazi are here. I will not shut up in the face of rabid right wing rhetoric. These guys exhibit no social conscious, no reponsibility for the messes they have made, no apology for their arrogance. They have never heard the word consensious, no idea what it means. Tom shouts against your social responsibility yet tells us he doesn't agree with republican platform. I want to know what does he believe in because the days of Grizzly Adams and Teddy Rooseveldt have gone forever

[tomder55]

Typical liberal... social conscious to you means taking other people's money to fix societies ills.. ills that have been expanded by the society the progressives have constructed .

If you listened to the Dem convention speeches the last 3 days you could not help but notice that it was the Dems who were howling at the moon and foaming at the mouth full of hate and anger.

Well excuse me for not fitting into your box . I do not march in lock step with radicals who think their philosophy is main-stream. The world has tried your brand of progressive governance for a century and it is imploding on itself.

[paraclete]

Typical liberal .....social conscious to you means taking other people's money to fix societies ills....,ills that have been expanded by the society the progressives have constructed .

If you listened to the Dem convention speeches the last 3 days you could not help but notice that it was the Dems who were howling at the moon and foaming at the mouth full of hate and anger.

Well excuse me for not fitting into your box . I do not march in lock step with radicals who think their philosophy is main-stream. The world has tried your brand of progressive governance for a century and it is imploding on itself.

Smoke and mirrors Tom I'm more attuned to what we used to call One Nation than your idea of liberalism. The Dems as you call them are rightly aggrieved because their programs are blocked. The idea behind representative government is that each Party has an opportunity to implement their policies according to the will of the electorate. You have a system which is designed specifically to prevent such an outcome. This is not democracy, it is entrenched autocracy and as to our system imploding upon itself, far from it, we give you the lie Tom social welfare programs with small debt and sometimes even balanced budgets. How do we do it; fair taxation, balanced programmes and above all parliamentary and executive responsibility. You cannot do that because you don't understand consencious

[tomder55]

This is not democracy

It is a Republican government with checks written into it to guard against the abuses of a levithian state . I can't speak to your system ;but what you saw at the Dem convention was a bunch of 2% elites trying to salve their guilty conscious by taking money from other people to pay for their utopian experiments .

[paraclete]

No Tom what I saw were people who had a vision of a better, fairer nation, not a nation for the privileged 1% but for all. All you are complaining about is it might cost you some of your prescious money. Do you remember what happened to the Roman republic, to the French republic, they both became imperial states and tyranny reigned supreme. Cast aside your republican dream of a 1% utopia and embrace the people

[tomder55]

Do you remember what happened to the Roman republic, to the French republic, they both became imperial states and tyranny reigned supreme.

Yes I have often quoted de Tocqueville's prescient warnings on what would bring that about.

[speechlesstx]

No Tom what I saw were people who had a vision of a better, fairer nation, not a nation for the privileged 1% but for all.

A vision of a few elites who deplore our constitution and think fair is stealing from one to create a permanently dependent citizenry. I'll keep my freedom thank you very much.

[smoothy]

Setting deadlines and taking action so you can implement them are two different things something about talk and action which you fail to understand

time and circumstance Tom policy is one thio\ng and implementation another something you don't understand. Must be a Republican thing. They have a so let it be written so let it be done mentality

He made healthcare available to more people, it all comes at a cost
If he hadn't taken the action he did your auto industry would be dead today
You will exit Europe because you are not needed there, you will exit teh middle east because you are not needed there and you have become confrontational with China, you can't do that from the Atlantic.


And of course blaming Bush for the housing issue is also equally stupid..because the COmmunity Reinvestment act was spearheaded by a young lawyer names Barrak Obama back in the mid 80's....Was intstituted by BILL CLINTON, to force banks to give minorities homes they never stood a chance to actually pay for...

But then what does reality have to do with the Democrat platform anyway?




stop rewritting history without GW Bush there would have been no Iraq war



ah an admission Iraq was bush unfinished business. Interesting thing US ceasefires, it seems the people who suffer are the civilians, that applies to both Korea and Iraq



for most of us Tom the Korean war ended in 1953 we don't want to revisit it, it is another of those wars the US didn't "win"



and there is your problem, the Bush era tax system which created the debt blowout and you want to blame Obama for it. How can you run a country when teh peopel who earn teh money don't pay the taxes, what a rediculous policy

He didn't make healthcare affordible to anyone... he made it far more expensive for everyone... and that's before the 1.5 TRILLION dollar cost PER YEAR is added in if its ever allowed to continue.

And its going to dramatically REDUCE the availibility and quality of healthcare, because doctors are already planning on quitting their practices... some already have rather than work under that socialist mess.

I will give you a pass on not knowing this because you are on the other side of the planet and all you find out is through the highly biased rose colored glasses of Liberal partisans that jokingly call themselves Journalists.

THe average liberal here believes if they can't have something for free that you pay for... then nobody should be entitled to have it either.

THey will be outlawing BMW's and Mercedes Benz as well as other luxury brands next because most liberals can't afford those either so its unfair that those who can afford them be allowed to buy them.

And as far as Iraq... I figured you were a lot smarter person than someone who would utter that remark.


Contrary to your claims... I was there, was you?. that war did NOT start under G W Bush... it started before Clinton ever took office... It started under Dady Bush after Saddam invaded our Ally in the region Kuwait and threatened another ally Saudi Arabia.

And its willful ignorance to refust to accept that there was a UN brokered Cease fire agreement... and that a cease fire agreement by ANY acceptable definition is NOT the end of a war... and that was NO different than Korea... which still has millions of troops on both sides of the border waiting for someone to break the cease fire.

Saddam Hussein... DID violate that agreement a number of times... they also DID find like 240 METRIC TONS of yellowcake uranium IN IRAQ where the liberals claim it never existed that was publicly reported and transported to Canada where it was reprocessed. Its also well known by EVERY government that the stockpiles of Nerve gas Saddam had were transported into Syria where they remain to this time.

Ever wonder why no country has sent in troops to end that civil war over there? You got it, the stocks of WMD's, Nerve and Chemical agents Assad has.

Of course if you listen to the lefty media... the USA is the only country in history to possess such arms... not Russia, not North Korea, not any other country... because the left hates America.