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phadie0h · Aug 13, 2012, 03:33 AM

I know some one who has been charrged witth a break and enter... the police say there is a finger prints but showed no prooof... my friend says there is no way there is prints... can the police lie about that? Its also took them 3months to make an arrest when fingerprints take merely hours to come back with a matchh...

ScottGem · Aug 13, 2012, 03:34 AM

First, where did you get the idea that fingerprint matches come back in hours? TV? Second, yes the police can lie as part of their investigation. But the prosecutor can't lie in court.

phadie0h · Aug 13, 2012, 03:55 AM

No I've beeen looking up a lot offf laww and I asked an officer seprate from this investigation... obvisiously I know they can liee... im not dumb .what I was asking is can they lie and charge you without evidence... then drop the issue later on due to lack of evidence

That might off been a bit confusing to read .im hoping you get me though

ScottGem · Aug 13, 2012, 04:53 AM

Yes, they can. It is up to his attorney to argue at arraignment that there is no evidence but generally that's only to get a lower bail.

Fr_Chuck · Aug 13, 2012, 05:07 AM

First to come "back" it means the person was fingerprinted before, it may have been for ID purpose, or a prior arrest, but to be ID by fingerprint there has to be a matching set on file.

Yes police are allowed legally to lie to you to get you to confess.

If they do have the prints they are not required at this stage to show them to you.

If the station was taking his prints and using live scan they come back right away, but they had prints off "something" in those cases, they are transfer prints and they are sent to a crime lab.

Transfer prints can not be ran at the station like fresh prints being taken. ( and most police don't even have live prints now)

So they are packaged and sent to a crime lab where they will wait and wait and wait to be processed in line with other evidence from 1000' s of other crimes. So getting them back in 3 months sounds fairly quick. In GA it can take up to a year to get some evidence back from the crime lab.

phadie0h · Aug 13, 2012, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

First to come "back" it means the person was fingerprinted before, it may have been for ID purpose, or a prior arrest, but to be ID by fingerprint there has to be a matching set on file.

Yes police are allowed legally to lie to you to get you to confess.

If they do have the prints they are not required at this stage to show them to you.

If the station was taking his prints and using live scan they come back right away, but they had prints off of "something" in those cases, they are transfer prints and they are sent to a crime lab.

Transfer prints can not be ran at the station like fresh prints being taken. ( and most police don't even have live prints now)

So they are packaged and sent to a crime lab where they will wait and wait and wait to be processed in line with other evidence from 1000' s of other crimes. So getting them back in 3 months sounds fairly quick. In GA it can take up to a year to get some evidence back from the crime lab.

That was actally helpful thanks.. one question do u work law ?

Fr_Chuck · Aug 13, 2012, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by phadie0h

that was actally helpful thanks ..one question do u work law ?

Let me see, I was first a Marshall back in the late 1970's, more like what you would see on the TV show in that town MAYBERRY, really, even two cells in the jail and the single lite on the car roof.

I am a graduate of the State Law Enforcement Academy, State Corrections Academy and a Graduate of the Federal Law Enforcement Academy.

Most of my work has been at management level, besides the "Mayberry" time before formal training. For example with the Feds, I worked up to a GS12 manager.
So I have seen most of this, from behind a desk

Plus a criminal justice major in college

I am now retired, I do still teach self defense to law enforcement at a Martial Arts School that I own

phadie0h · Aug 13, 2012, 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck

Let me see, I was first a Marshall back in the late 1970's, more like what you would see on the TV show in that town MAYBERRY, really, even two cells in the jail and the single lite on the car roof.

I am a graduate of the State Law Enforcement Academy, State Corrections Accademy and a Graduate of the Federal Law Enforcement Academy.

Most of my work has been at management level, besides the "Mayberry" time before formal training. For example with the Feds, I worked up to a GS12 manager.
So I have seen most of this, from behind a desk

Plus a criminal justice major in college

I am now retired, I do still teach self defense to law enforcement at a Martial Arts School that I own

Ic not bad I guessss welll thanks for the help I guesss