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tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 05:07 AM

Ex ,I heard the question asked :where did he get the money " ? I was answering the question. Out in the web ,the conspiracy theories are being floated .

paraclete · Jul 25, 2012, 05:10 AM

Hey the position is ! Now about the problem which is arms in the possession of miscreants has to be addressed why are you held captive by the NRA, by the right wing?

NeedKarma · Jul 25, 2012, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

That wasn't my question. Am I to conclude that AMHD is taking a position on the Presidential contest by the ads they allow ?

I assume they signed up with a service that provides ads and AMHD gets paid on clickthroughs. They are in they full right to do this. You have options which websites to use of course. Vote with your feet! :-)

excon · Jul 25, 2012, 05:12 AM

Hello again, tom:

I don't know if you answered the question or made an ideological complaint. Do you KNOW if he had ANY other sources of income?? No, you don't.. Maybe his GRANDMA sent him $5,000. I think SHE should be brought up on charges...

Bwa, ha ha ha.

excon

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 05:12 AM

The NRA only has influence because the vast majority of Americans agree with them .

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 05:13 AM

Ex I don't speculate.. I only provided known sources of revenue.

paraclete · Jul 25, 2012, 05:14 AM

The NRA has influence because they bought and paid for it

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 05:24 AM

Nope... if the Dems saw they could make hay by running on an anti-gun policy they would . Instead you have Obama tip toeing around tougher regulations ,and before him you had Kerry dressing like Elmer Fudd to prove he is a man of the people. In the last election you had Dem Sen Joe Manchin taking target practice with a high powered rifle (maybe an assault ?) in a very effective campaign ad. The only ones who make a strong statement for gun control are the ones that are in safe liberal districts. The NRA could only exist as a major influencing force if they did not reflect a vast majority opinion.

Wondergirl · Jul 25, 2012, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The NRA only has influence because the vast majority of Americans agree with them .

Correction: white American males

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 07:52 AM

FRom your hometown news paper :

The online survey showed that 68 percent, or two out of three respondents, had a favorable opinion of the NRA, which starts its annual convention in St. Louis, Missouri, on Friday.

Eighty-two percent of Republicans saw the gun lobbying group in a positive light as well as 55 percent of Democrats, findings that run counter to the perception of Democrats as anti-NRA.

Most Americans back gun lobby, right to use deadly force - Chicago Tribune

Wondergirl · Jul 25, 2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

FRom your hometown news paper

Who actually responded?

According to Reuters, 1,922 people were surveyed.

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 08:11 AM

Yeah most surveys and polls are about that number or less.

Wondergirl · Jul 25, 2012, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

Yeah most surveys and polls are about that number or less.

Why am I not doing cartwheels? And it wasn't random. It played to the gun-owner audience.

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 08:41 AM

Oh I get it . The people vote in Reps who cowtow to the interests of the NRA instead of the will of the people who elected them ;and knowing that ,the people reelect these Reps who don't serve their interests .

NeedKarma · Jul 25, 2012, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Why am I not doing cartwheels? And it wasn't random. It played to the gun-owner audience.

You might have a case here.

1289 Caucasians, 219 African Americans and 267 Hispanics.

excon · Jul 25, 2012, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

The people vote in Reps who cowtow to the interests of the NRA instead of the will of the people who elected them

Hello again, tom:

You're got it right. The people can only vote for candidates who can afford to run... Before Citizens United, the PEOPLE had a say in WHO that was. Since, Citizens United, the wealthy special interests are the ones who have a say.

The NRA is a wealthy special interest. That's why you saw some Democratics line up behind the right wingers to find Eric Holder in contempt of congress over Fast & Furious. They were from a SWING districts, and if they DON'T toe the NRA line, they'll be PRIMARYIED. You know that. I know that. EVERYBODY knows that.

NONE of that has anything to do with the "will of the people"..

excon

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 10:16 AM

Before Citizens United, the PEOPLE had a say in WHO that was.

ummm I do believe that the NRA predates Citizens United by a number of years .

They were from a SWING districts

OK then ;so swing districts and districts that lean Republican all vote for candidates that agree with the NRA. That leaves ONLY safe liberal districts... a distinct minority... Sort of proves my point that the NRA represents the majority view in the country .

tomder55 · Jul 25, 2012, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by NeedKarma

You might have a case here.

You left out this part :

1,922 Americans was interviewed online, including 650 Republicans, 752 Democrats, 520 Independents, 1289 Caucasians, 219 African Americans and 267 Hispanics.

The poll conducted counted more Dems . And in either case ,it was an overwhelmingly lopsided result in favor of gun rights.

talaniman · Jul 25, 2012, 10:25 AM

Like all issues it depends on how you frame the question because like you Tom, most of the public favors common sense restrictions and regulations.

But the NRA makes a point to publicly let congress know that anything they don't like will be punished. And they keep score. They have effectively punked the democrats, all of them, top to bottom.

Wondergirl · Jul 25, 2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by tomder55

you left out this part :

1,922 Americans was interviewed online, including 650 Republicans, 752 Democrats, 520 Independents, 1289 Caucasians, 219 African Americans and 267 Hispanics.

The poll conducted counted more Dems . and in either case ,it was an overwhelmingly lopsided result in favor of gun rights.

And tell how the "interview" was set up.