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Yes we should be equally outraged that hundreds of Mexicans have been killed by the botched attempt by the Adm to make a connection between Mexican drug violence and the rights of Americans to own guns .
BTW ;there are 2 American deaths due to this flawed policy. Besides Border agent Brian Terry ;ICE agent Jaime Zapata was also gunned down with a F&F weapon. Why is it a big deal beyond a major policy snafu ? Because for a year and a half, Holder and his underlings have lied, stonewalled, misdirected, finger pointed, flip-flopped and taken the Fifth in a desperate attempt to wriggle free of the House Oversight Committee' s investigation. |
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 Originally Posted by tomder55
Hmmmph... Finally, the FOX News conspiracy hits our boards... Bwa ha ha ha ha... But, there's even BETTER evidence that Obama wants to take away your guns... The fact that he hasn't TRIED to during his first administration means that he's clearly going to go after them during his second... In fact, that's WHY he didn't try during his first term... He was WAITING and LULLING you wingers to sleep, so he could SURPRISE us... Yeah, that makes sense... excon |
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It's the motive that makes most sense.
Obama has forfeited plausible deniability and tied F&F directly to the White House with his use of executive privilege . Why would he do that if this was just an ATF screw up ? Why wouldn't he make the documents available unless he was trying to hide his or Holder's involvement ? Yeah ;the gun control angle is pure speculation .However ,I've heard of nothing more plausible . You will note that I gave then the benefit of the doubt until now . It is the President who has turned this into something greater than what it should've been, Now the question is :why ? (that FOX stuff still bores me) |
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Originally Posted by tomder55
As you know, the reason for executive privilege is so that administration officials can speak candidly between themselves without fear that those conversations will be made public. Government wouldn't work so good if people don't talk to each other... Take the congress, for example.. excon |
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Hello again, tom:
I thought so too. But, this morning on This Week, they had a quote from Mulcasey stating his belief that executive privilege DOES cover communication between cabinet officers.. I've been looking for it.. I can't find it. You'll have to take my word for it. excon |
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I'll check on that some more ;but I think 'm right on that based on US v Nixon.(more below).. ultimately it is probable that if Congress presses this case ,then the courts will arbitrate.But lets say it is as you suggest and confidential commmunications between the President and his cabinet are subject to executive privilege ,then it is an admission that F&F was not a renegade operation deep in the ATF. He is admitting that White House staff were involved.
But although it considered a president's communications with his close advisors to be
“presumptively privileged,” the Court (in US v Nixon) rejected the President's contention that the privilege was absolute, precluding judicial review whenever it is asserted. Also, while acknowledging the need for confidentiality of high level communications in the exercise of Article II powers, the Court stated that when the privilege depends solely on the broad, undifferentiated claim of public interest in the confidentiality of such communications,” a confrontation with other values arises.” It held that “absent a need to protect military, diplomatic, or sensitive national security secrets, we find it difficult to accept the argument that even the very important interest in confidentiality of presidential communications is significantly diminished by production of” materials that are essential to the enforcement of criminal statutes. neither the doctrine of separation of powers nor the need for confidentiality of high-level communications, without more, can sustain an absolute, unqualified Presidential privilege of immunity from judicial process under all circumstances. Executive privilege cannot be used to cover up criminal wrongdoing, such as lying to Congress. (United States v. Nixon) |
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Issa is backing Obama into a corner. Let's see if he comes out swinging.
Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) on Tuesday accused President Obama of either obstructing a congressional investigation or of involvement in the Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation.
In a seven-page letter to the president, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee leveled his most direct allegations yet at Obama just two days ahead of a full House vote on whether to place Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress for failing to respond to a subpoena... "Either you or your most senior advisers were involved in managing Operation Fast and Furious and the fallout from it, including the false Feb. 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee,” Issa wrote to Obama. “Or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”
“He indicated a willingness to produce the ‘fair compilation’ of post-February 4th documents,” Issa wrote to the president. “He told me that he would provide the ‘fair compilation’ of documents on three conditions: (1) that I permanently cancel the contempt vote; (2) that I agree the department was in full compliance with the committee’s subpoenas, and; (3) that I accept the ‘fair compilation,’ sight unseen.”
Waiting for you to dangle your next shiny object. |
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Originally Posted by excon
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To bad Issa is so intent on making Holder and Obama look bad, that he isn't investigating the real cause and effect that lead to a dead agent, by interviewing the ones that were involved in the case.
Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious Scandal | Mediaite NO supeonas for the supervisors, or agents involved. New information names kingpin the FBI protected in Brian Terry murder - National Conservative | Examiner.com Amazing how none of these folks were called in to supply testimony, so the facts are not what Issa is after. Some investigation. |
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Originally Posted by talaniman
NO supeonas for the supervisors, or agents involved.
'Fast and Furious' Whistleblowers Struggle Six Months After Testifying Against ATF Program They testified before Congress - even though the DoJ tried to stonewall their testimony. Yes I cited Fox. Again, good thing nobody got killed or anything... |
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My memory is correct and functioning fine, and your position would be more tenable if Issa had something more than a political agenda to pursue.
Lost in all this is still the guns themselves getting into the hands of drug dealers in the first place, and sure this was botched in the execution stages, yet their was no subpoenas for those that took part in this, nor was the FBI called in for their role in this fiasco. So its not a truthful investigation for facts, but a targeted specific smear campaign designed to look tough, and undermine the justice departments efforts in many other areas they can't look into but oppose, such as the voter suppression efforts in a few states or the lawsuits filed against immigration law abuses. Now you can spin this and use the death of an agent all you want to justify their actions, but the motives of Issa and the republicans is very clear, and no amount of targeted outrage will cover the fact that this is fueled by wild conspiracy theory, and the NRA, and maybe its Issa who should be investigated. Over reach, and abuse of power come to mind, because no matter where this leads, the conditions for more deaths is still present, even if the dunces who botched this operation are gone. |
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Where does the buck stop? It stops with AG Holder, he is the man responsible.
You can leave the NRA, fishing expeditions, and all manner of conspiracy that your side is manufacturing like voter suppression, smear campaigns and bringing Obama down out of it. The only conspiracies in play here are operation Fast and Furious and whether the White House is covering their a$$es on it. We all deserve to know the truth on this. Enough diversions. |
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Hello again, Steve:
Yup, the media FINALLY noticed. A Fortune Magazine investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust. Bwa, ha ha ha. excon |
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Originally Posted by speechlesstx
Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt - CSMonitor.com Issa Peddled Conspiracy Theory at NRA Convention, Called Fast and Furious an Attack on the 2nd Amendment (VIDEO) | rightwingwatch.org NRA-ILA | Issa's right: Tougher gun laws Fast and Furious goal http://nraila.org/media/7733622/cc-letter-to-issa.pdf |
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