After virtually ignoring the Fast and Furious scandal the media is showing up. It took Holder asking for and getting executive privilege on the documents his DOJ has refused to provide the Oversight Committee.
What do they have to hide??
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After virtually ignoring the Fast and Furious scandal the media is showing up. It took Holder asking for and getting executive privilege on the documents his DOJ has refused to provide the Oversight Committee.
What do they have to hide??
So what's your point.
You didn't understand the question?
They should still move to a motion of contempt of Congress. Holder ,as a cabinet officer confirmed by the Senate ,is not subject to executive privilege . In fact ;the only way I see it being invoked is if the President is personally involved . Executive privilege protects communications with the President ,not the AG unless the President was also involved . If Fast and Furious is a national security issue ;then Holder is still subject to contempt charges and perjury charges .
Exactly, and it should raise even more eyebrows since Holder and his DoJ have repeatedly claimed the White House knew nothing about F&F. Sounds like as much an admission that the White House did know something after all.
Plausible denyability but is there anything the White House doesn't know about after all it micromanages hits on terrorists
"Let me say it as simply as I can: transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency." -Barack Obama
Which law was that? Sounds like he is in touch with the blarney stone to me
I made an incorrect statement when I wrote :In fact ;the only way I see it being invoked is if the President is personally involved . Executive privilege protects communications with the President ,not the AG unless the President was also involved . The President doesn't have to be directly involved .He can invoke Executive Privilege for people under his command without him having personal involvement .
But since the documents pertain directly to Holder's perjury in testimony before Congress ,then invoking the privilege is tantamount to a cover up. Ask Nixon how far that got him .
The House Oversight Committee today voted to move contempt vote to the House floor .
Via Powerline:
Also from Espy:Quote:
In Espy, the court said:
The deliberative process privilege does not shield documents that simply state or explain a decision the government has already made or protect material that is purely factual….
The deliberative process privilege is a qualified privilege and can be overcome by a sufficient showing of need. … For example, where there is reason to believe the documents sought may shed light on government misconduct, ‘the privilege is routinely denied,’ on the grounds that shielding internal government deliberations in this context does not serve ‘the public’s interest in honest, effective government.’”
I don't think he has a legal leg to stand on, let's see if Obama can make the political argument or if this is just more stalling.Quote:
“Not every person who plays a role in the development of presidential advice, no matter how remote and removed from the President, can qualify for the privilege. In particular, the privilege should not extend to staff outside the White House in executive branch agencies. Instead, the privilege should apply only to communications authored or solicited and received by those members of an immediate White House advisor’s staff who have broad and significant responsibility for investigation and formulating the advice to be given the President on the particular matter to which the communications relate. Only communications at that level are close enough to the President to be revelatory of his deliberations or to pose a risk to the candor of his advisers.”
This should be good, the next round of the right wing loony bin against the President. So what's new? You guys have been slinging mud, and bad mouthing the guy for 3 and a half years, and this is just another bone to keep the rest of the loonies outraged, and engaged and maybe they will vote for you guys.
Yet again another issue on which both sides should agree but you call it mudslinging and us loony. Good to see you care about the rule of law, getting to the bottom of Brian Terry's death and why we let thousands of guns walk to our neighbor to the south to be used to kill who knows how many more.
Just watch Jon Stewart's take on F&F.
Not allowed to watch that speech what did he say
You'd have to watch it, Clete. He skewers Obama and Democrats pretty good.Quote:
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I can't watch it the site won't open to meQuote:
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It's geoblocked to anyone outside the US.Quote:
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Yes they live in their own little world
Hello:
As usual, the right wing is outraged about the WRONG things...
During Fast & Furious, the ATF LOST over 2,000 weapons in Mexico. 57,000 Mexicans have been KILLED due to the drug war. I wonder how many Mexicans died at the hands of ATF.. I wonder WHY nobody cares.
Yes, I too mourn the loss of ONE American. But, Holder didn't do it. Obama didn't do it. The ATF did it. Why aren't any of THOSE guys in jail? Why aren't you interested in investigating them?
So, you'll excuse me if I happen to be outraged about it too. I just don't share YOUR outrage.
excon
Ex no one cares because they don't want to offend the right wing gun lobby. It's all right to kill mexicans with american guns, after all that less mex's that can cross the border so you could look on it as border defenseQuote:
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Ex no one mourns the loss of life in a war, these people are expendiable, that is why it is called a war so there could be casualities of war and investigations are not necessary.Quote:
Yes, I too mourn the loss of ONE American. But, Holder didn't do it. Obama didn't do it. The ATF did it. Why aren't any of THOSE guys in jail? Why aren't you interested in investigating them?
I think the actions of the ATF here are deplorable and reprehensible and someone should be held to account and that person is the person who authorised the operation and since executive privilege is involved we know where the buck stops
Less outrage more actionQuote:
So, you'll excuse me if I happen to be outraged about it too. I just don't share YOUR outrage.
Excon
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