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    #101

    Jun 20, 2012, 05:29 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    The same ones that had Ex comment earlier :
    Hi Tom,

    That's good for Ex, but I am not Ex. I didn't read his earlier comments.

    Tut
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    #102

    Jun 20, 2012, 05:37 AM
    So you don't think that the orphan drug and orphan disease is the rare exception to the rule ?
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    #103

    Jun 20, 2012, 05:51 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    so you don't think that the orphan drug and orphan disease is the rare exception to the rule ?
    I don't know. I'd have to Google it and get back to you
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    #104

    Jun 20, 2012, 06:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by TUT317 View Post
    I certainly have never claimed this.



    Not really there are many endgames as you call them when it comes to fairness and equity. I will gives examples a bit later.

    For the moment you are providing a false analogy. The analogy falls down because there is no single property of fairness that can be equally applied across different categories (health care and tax) for the following reason.

    There are a number of properties that characterize fairness and equity when applied to the health care industry. Equity of good health is something that ought to be encouraged. So it is fair and reasonable that poor people should not suffer from common diseases and complaints associated with belonging to a particular racial and/or socio-economic group. Especially since such diseases may well be less common in more affluent groups. In my country diabetes would be an example.

    It is not fair on the individual suffering from the disease to have to continually seek treatment? It is not fair on the medical system (private or universal) that we should have to keep paying for a chronic problem that could have been prevented?





    Again, not really As I said,there are many different aspects of fairness when applied to health care. Fairness is not an absolute there are many particular instances of how things can be fair and equitable.

    Tut
    All of my comments were directed at this country's liberals, and were spot on.
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    #105

    Jun 20, 2012, 06:31 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    Nah, I dwell on the positive in my life, I don't seek out everything that's wrong. That for you guys to do in the Current Events board.
    Dude, you continue to tout the excellence of Canadian healthcare while ignoring the fact that many in your country suffer because of it. Someone has to raise awareness about there plight since you won't.
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    #106

    Jun 20, 2012, 06:37 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by tomder55 View Post
    What I'm saying is the common ailments and medical services can easily be handled in a free market,consumer choice environment .
    Hello again, tom:

    It looks like the American people don't agree with you. This morning's Bloomberg poll shows Obama UP BIG!

    excon
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    #107

    Jun 20, 2012, 07:21 AM
    Yeah ,love the approval rating on issues of jobs ,the economy ,and the budget . Basically he's done a good job wacking terrorists
    http://media.bloomberg.com/bb/avfile/rQyA68BW5P20

    Also of those interviewed ,only 73% say they are likely voters. Not that I trust polling data too much ;but if I was running a pre-election poll,I would only count likely voters.
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    #108

    Jun 20, 2012, 07:38 AM
    That's just the Bradley Effect anyway. With people like Sam Donaldson calling others racist for daring to disagree with a black man's politics you can't blame folks for not wanting to appear racist.

    I get it though, the Democrats top priority is re-electing Obama, the country, its citizens and any hint of racial harmony be damned.
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    #109

    Jun 20, 2012, 07:43 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    I get it though, the Democrats top priority is re-electing Obama,
    The only purpose of a political party is to gain power ;to win elections and to get their agenda enacted.
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    #110

    Jun 20, 2012, 08:02 AM
    Yeah ;but Sam Donaldson prides himself as being an unbiased gate-keeper of the dinosaur media. He'll have to put down his pom poms 1st .
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    #111

    Jun 20, 2012, 08:42 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    The only purpose of a political party is to gain power ;to win elections and to get their agenda enacted.
    So it no longer bothers you that the GOP's top priority is to make Obama a one term president. Cool.
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    #112

    Jun 20, 2012, 08:49 AM
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    So it no longer bothers you that the GOP's top priority is to make Obama a one term president. Cool.
    Hello again, Steve:

    You're missing something here... You got what the PARTY is about, but you miss what the CONGRESS is about. Don't worry. Your Republican brethren agree with you.. Governing be damned.. Let's get rid of the black guy, I mean commie socialist. I'm sorry. I mean Muslim Kenyon anti-colonial, anchor baby..

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    #113

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:03 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    So it no longer bothers you that the GOP's top priority is to make Obama a one term president. Cool.
    Just echoing what you guys say:

    https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/curren...ml#post3151711
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    #114

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:12 AM
    Yes I know, you tend to avoid trying to share an original thought.
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    #115

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:14 AM
    You mean by reading right-wing blogs and reposting their stuff here? Yea, I don't do that. I have a life.
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    #116

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:14 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by excon View Post
    Hello again, Steve:

    You're missing something here... You got what the PARTY is about, but you miss what the CONGRESS is about. Don't worry. Your Republican brethren agree with you.. Governing be damned.. Let's get rid of the black guy, I mean commie socialist. I'm sorry. I mean Muslim Kenyon anti-colonial, anchor baby..

    excon
    The words you're looking for are "incompetent boob."
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    #117

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:22 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    You mean by reading right-wing blogs and reposting their stuff here? Yea, I don't do that. I have a life.
    That's because you're what, 12 years old?

    Yes thanks to the wonderful care you get at the expense of others you do have a life. But don't worry, you'll be like the UK in no time...

    Top doctor's chilling claim: The NHS kills off 130,000 elderly patients every year
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    #118

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:24 AM
    And the liberals everywhere are trying to make... Logans Run... and 1984 into reality.
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    #119

    Jun 20, 2012, 09:38 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by speechlesstx View Post
    That's because you're what, 12 years old?

    Yes thanks to the wonderful care you get at the expense of others you do have a life. But don't worry, you'll be like the UK in no time...
    You keep calling me 12 years old, not sure why, I think you're trying to insult me somehow.

    Anyway Canadians love their healthcare system. They are quite proud of it. Funny how you don't see them starting threads here about how messed up it is. Plus you rarely see any canucks in the Health and Wellness threads asking medical questions because they can't afford healthcare; imagine trying to get medical help from anonymous internet people.

    But you can keep trying to make others feel bad about what they have. It's more telling about the poster than the content they are posting.
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    #120

    Jun 20, 2012, 10:46 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by NeedKarma View Post
    But you can keep trying to make others feel bad about what they have. It's more telling about the poster than the content they are posting.
    Is the word 'truth' foreign and/or irrelevant to you?

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