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May 27, 2012, 04:26 PM
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 Originally Posted by AK lawyer
If he forced you to the ground, face first, evidently, how could he have then punched you in the face?
I believe I asked that - the answer was that this was not a "usual" arrest.
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May 27, 2012, 08:19 PM
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According to you, they claimed you put the necklace into your bag but then when you were arrested, they took it off your neck? That seems a little odd to me.
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May 28, 2012, 03:55 AM
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 Originally Posted by odinn7
According to you, they claimed you put the necklace into your bag but then when you were arrested, they took it off your neck? That seems a little odd to me.
I asked at #14 - OP did not answer. Brings up the whole issue of why you would stop and look at a necklace when you already the same, identical necklace purchased at the same, identical store.
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May 28, 2012, 04:56 AM
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Sorry I have made many arrests and even taught hand cuffing at the law enforcement schools. If you are laying chest down, with one hand behind you in a cuff, and you are resisting ( keeping one hand under you) The officer is above and beside you. He has one hand holding the cuff and your hand/arm. Two choices here, if you broke the hand with the cuff free, you are considered dangerous and yes he would have hit you, or shoved your face into the ground to gain control of the cuff.
If you would not give him the other hand, he would have put a lot of pressure on the arm to cause serious pain, The other he would have reached perhaps around your face to try and get a pressure point to cause you more pain to make you give him the arm. In a fight, reaching for that pressure point can hit your face. It is not a punch but a jab.
Also at the point you would not allow him to cuff you, he is actually allowed to use the amount of force needed to get you under control, since you were not complying with orders.
Any of my students would have most likely dislocated your shoulder, left serious bruises on your wrist from the cuff being twisted seriously and you would have had bruises on your side from their kness holding you and pushing into you. At the point you will not cuff, you are going to be hurt, that is what happens, when you resist.
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May 28, 2012, 05:07 AM
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 Originally Posted by Fr_Chuck
Also if he had you down on the ground, putting hand cuffs on you, how did he punch you in the face.
Hello:
While "face down" with the cop on her back, her face is NOT pointed straight down. It's cocked to one side or the other... Therefore, a cop COULD hit her in the face.
Although it's AGAINST procedure, WOULD a cop hit somebody in the face?? YES! Let me say that AGAIN, YES a cop WOULD hit a defenseless person on the ground...
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May 28, 2012, 05:15 AM
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Ok, let's stop speculating here. The OP has filed a complaint with the property authority. She has witnesses to what happened. I understand how some parts of her story don't make sense. But the advice she came for was whether her arrest would stand up. Those questions were answered. Lets what and see what the authority says about the excessive force complaint, if the OP comes back and lets us know (which I hope she will) and go from there.
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May 28, 2012, 05:18 AM
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 Originally Posted by ScottGem
Ok, let's stop speculating here.
Hello Scott:
I'm just correcting the speculative idea that her face COULDN'T have been hit if she was "face down".
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May 28, 2012, 05:24 AM
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Right now Toronto police are under much scrutiny and possible charges after their treatment of G20 'supposed protesters' and actual protesters where much of this type of abuse actually happened, sanctioned and ordered. You can look it up on the net, it happened in 2010. Most of the people who were put in holding cells have placed law suits.
What OP is describing is much like that; many people were punched and kicked by the police under orders. So if she wants to sue, then she will probably have a case because of this treatment which was similar; could be she is counting on that.
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