[tomder55]

Perhaps that is indeed the problem... unrealistic expectations...

[speechlesstx]

Then the american dream has indeed gone by the wayside since it's obvious to all that americans are overly concerned with appearing wealthy at the expense of other pursuits.

BLACK FRIDAY FOR ALL!

I drive a 1986 4Runner. That really makes me appear wealthy.

[NeedKarma]

I guess you really didn't work hard enough.

[speechlesstx]

I guess you really didn't work hard enough.

Being wealthy was never a goal of mine, there are more important things than money. Kind of goes against your point I know but hey, I'm far from alone in that.

[excon]

Hello again:

Is this the thread where I said if the Republicans get control, they'll take us back to the 19th Century? Well, I can find it, so I'm going to talk about that again...

If you don't believe the righty's will actually DO that, you should read that President Gingrich will ELIMINATE child labor laws.

Really, he said that...

excon

[speechlesstx]

I think what he's talking about is a terrific idea. Yeah, I really said that.

[NeedKarma]

Hello again:

Is this the thread where I said if the Republicans get control, they'll take us back to the 19th Century? Well, I can find it, so I'm going to talk about that again...

If you don't believe the righty's will actually DO that, you should read that President Gingrich will ELIMINATE child labor laws.

Really, he said that...

Excon

Holy crap this guy cannot take a stance:

In an interview with my colleague, Amy Gardner, Gingrich said that he is not advocating revamping child labor laws, he simply wants to empower young people with a work ethic they need to succeed.

Then later

GOP presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich called child labor laws “truly stupid”

Hahahaha, what a politician.

[speechlesstx]

Back to the occupation for a moment, the ACLU has jumped in for the Minneapolis occupiers.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota sued Hennepin County on Monday on behalf of OccupyMPLS, the protest group camping out on the Government Center Plaza in downtown Minneapolis in defiance of county rules.

The ACLU suit contends that those rules, which forbid tents and electricity, and "certain unwritten procedures enforced by the county" violate the demonstrators' free speech rights.

Members of OccupyMPLS have been staying on the Hennepin County Government Center plaza night and day since Oct. 7 "to express their frustration with the growing economic and political inequities in this country," according to a news release from the ACLU-MN.

Carolyn Marinan, director of Hennepin County's public affairs department, said the county was expecting the suit.

"We're responding, and it would not be prudent or appropriate to say anything ahead of any legal proceedings," she said.

The suit asks that new rules restricting the use of chalk, electricity and tents be declared unconstitutional. The plaintiffs are also seeking an injunction against the rules, and they want the county to provide electricity for the protesters. It also asks that officials stop giving trespass notices to protesters who build temporary shelters or use chalk to express their views.

The county has said the plaza is not designed for long-term occupation and that the restrictions adopted earlier this month are needed because of health and safety concerns and increased security costs.

OK, so they may have a bit of a point on establishing new new rules in response to the occupation, but what gives them the right to "occupy" public property and block others from being able to use the property? That, and free electricity. Really? Free electricity is now a right?

[speechlesstx]

Holy crap this guy cannot take a stance:


then later


hahahaha, what a politician.

You must be the only one in on the joke because calling them stupid is not the same as advocating a makeover. I'm sure the laws can be tweaked without a radical transformation.

[excon]

but what gives them the right to "occupy" public property and block others from being able to use the property?

Hello again, Steve:

May I refer you once again, to that wonderful document that you righty's PROFESS to be in love with... The First Amendment gives the people the right to assemble. The Constitution doesn't spell out the details.. That's left to locals. But, the details CANNOT interfere with the peoples RIGHTS. That's just so.

I know you think laws against spitting can and should be invoked to get rid of protesters... Ok, OK, I know you don't.. But, I bring that up to show you that piddly little city laws or school rules AIMED at, or USED to disrupt a peaceful Constitutionally protected protest are NOT legal. That's just so.

excon

[NeedKarma]

I'm sure the laws can be tweaked without a radical transformation.

I'm quoting him, did you miss this part?

Gingrich said that he is not advocating revamping child labor laws

[speechlesstx]

But, I bring that up to show you that piddly little city laws or school rules AIMED at, or USED to disrupt a peaceful Constitutionally protected protest are NOT legal. That's just so.

Excon

Occupy Wall Street is suing to bring their tents and sleeping bags back to the park, but in Clark v. Community for Creative Non-Violence (1984), the Supreme Court held that the National Park Service could enforce its rules against sleeping in tents at Washington's Lafayette park and National Mall, even for a symbolic protest about homelessness. The tents in Zuccotti Park were shelter, not symbolic speech. As First Amendment lawyer Floyd Abrams told Reuters, it's a "real stretch to maintain that sleeping in a designated area itself is anything more than what it appears to be."

So much for that argument. Now what gives them the right to free electricity?

[speechlesstx]

I'm quoting him, did you miss this part?

Nope, I saw it and that wasn't a quote.

[excon]

So much for that argument.

Hello again, Steve:

I wasn't addressing ANY particular argument... I was just showing you that the Constitution TRUMPS local law, if the intent or the enforcement of it, is intended to disrupt a Constitutionally protected assembly of citizens.

They can't use spitting ordinances.. They can't use zoning ordinances. They can't use sitting on the sidewalk ordinances. They can't use lack of a permit, or noise laws... They just can't...

That doesn't mean the protesters can steal. Ultimately, there has to be a balance between the protesters right to protest, and the city's right to keep peace. It does NOT mean that one's rights TRUMP the other.

But, it's clear to me, that your side AND the cops think that if they don't like what's going on, they can simply use FORCE to end it... That's just not so. Not, in this great land of ours where we're PROTECTED by a Constitution that, indeed, SOME of us truly love - and it AIN'T YOUR wing.

excon

[NeedKarma]

But, it's clear to me, that your side AND the cops think that if they don't like what's going on, they can simply use FORCE to end it... That's just not so. Not, in this great land of ours where we're PROTECTED by a Constitution that, indeed, SOME of us truly love - and it AIN'T YOUR wing.

It's funny how these sitting protesters get much harsher than the Westboro Baptist Church protesters.

[tomder55]

We of course have condemned them on more than one occasion on these boards(myself since 2007)

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/politi...ly-147352.html

[speechlesstx]

I think the only people who haven't condemned the Phelps are the Phelps themselves. They are vile and despicable, and I've said that here at least 16 times.

[NeedKarma]

Unfortunately you guys are not the one wielding the pepper spray.

[speechlesstx]

Unfortunately you guys are not the one weilding the pepper spray.

What is that supposed to mean?

[talaniman]

I take it to mean they sprayed the wrong protest group.