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TUT317 · May 11, 2011, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Wondergirl

Tut, please read the entire thread. All of what I quoted was from the web site that had been posted by someone else. They are NOT my thoughts or beliefs. I stated that I found the logic on that site to be absurd.

Hi Wondergirl,

That's what happens when I jump into the middle of a conservation.

My apologies.

Tut

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 03:58 AM

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by sawsall02

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Saved from what?

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 04:52 AM

Eternal punishment, because God is JUST!

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the World God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and devine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 05:01 AM

Oh OK - good luck!

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 05:11 AM

If Biblical creation were not true, we could not know anything!

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 05:15 AM

John 3:16 "For God so loved the World that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by sawsall02

If Biblical creation were not true, we could not know anything!

But I don't believe in biblical creation and I know a lot of things - how can that be?

Synnen · May 12, 2011, 05:41 AM

The whole story of Job convinced me that God is not actually a JUST God.

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 05:51 AM

1. How did you come to know things?
2. How do YOU know what is JUST?

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by sawsall02

1. How did you come to know things?

Education and experience. How do you come to know things?

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 06:13 AM

Did you come to know thing's through logic? I did, because GOD CREATED LOGIC!

Think about it. Should we use your logic or God's?

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 07:27 AM

Ok, if you say so, it makes no difference to me.

Synnen · May 12, 2011, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by sawsall02

Did you come to know thing's through logic? I did, because GOD CREATED LOGIC!

Think about it. Should we use your logic or God's?

And we're back to the original argument:

Who created GOD? MY logic says that SOMETHING had to create Him. You cannot create something from nothing.

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 09:00 AM

Your missing my point! You don't have any logic, God created logic!

NeedKarma · May 12, 2011, 09:06 AM

If your answer to everything is "God created it" then there really is no option for discussion is there?

Synnen · May 12, 2011, 09:11 AM

No... you are missing MY point.

I don't BELIEVE in your god.

Therefore, He doesn't exist.

If he doesn't exist, he didn't create ANYTHING.

ScottGem · May 12, 2011, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by sawsall02

The God of the Bible, is THEE GOD! Genisis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavans and the earth.

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth,"Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Oh please. Save us from proselytizers! So, anyone who doesn't worship the way YOU believe they should will not be saved. You just damned the majority of the world's people. Christianity, while the largest religion, still makes up only about 1/3 of the world's people (Major Religions Ranked by Size). This is your definition of a "just" God?

And, if your God is so omnipotent and created logic, as you claim, then why would he not set things up so that more people would worship him? Why would he make it so hard to believe?

Look, I'm not saying that Christians haven't got it right. What I'm saying is I don't know, just as Christians don't know for a fact. So believe what you want, I am happy that you find comfort in your beliefs. But please don't presume to impose your beliefs on others. Please don't presume to tell me I won't be "saved", just because I have chosen not to believe in Jesus Christ.

sawsall02 · May 12, 2011, 09:13 AM

If our brain activity is based on RANDOM chemical reactions, assuming we EVOLVED from nothingness! Based on this THEORY we could not have ANY LOGIC, or REASONING! Only if we were intelligently designed could we have these things. My gosh, you couldn't even talk,walk,see,hear,taste,smell,or even LIVE for that matter! If we didn't have a creator that made these thing's!

Synnen · May 12, 2011, 09:20 AM

Sawsall--you don't get it.

You are NOT going to convince me, because to me your logic is completely flawed. It's like saying the world is at the center of the universe because everything obviously revolves around the earth.

And I have never believed that there was EVER "nothingness" in the universe. I believe that SOMETHING has always existed. We therefore evolved from SOMETHING.